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Thomas Ramos : « J’ai des responsabilités sur la transformation »

Cheslin Kolbe #11 of Team South Africa stop the try transformation of Thomas Ramos #15 of Team France during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between France and South Africa at Stade de France on October 15, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Xavier Laine/Getty Images)

C’est une question qu’on ne cesse de lui poser et lui veut désormais tourner la page.

Invité dans le Super Moscato Show sur RMC le 21 décembre, Thomas Ramos, arrière du XV de France (30 sélections), a une nouvelle fois dû répondre à ce fait de jeu controversé qui s’est déroulé lors du quart de finale contre l’Afrique du Sud, perdu d’un point par la France (28-29).

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Et ce fait de jeu, c’est peu après la 22e minute qu’il se produit, après l’essai de Peato Mauvaka. Thomas Ramos pose le ballon sur le tee à 25 mètres de l’en-but. Quelques pas en arrière, quelques pas sur le côté. Il visualise le ballon, il est immobile. Il prend son temps. Il reste 16 secondes lorsqu’il avance son pied droit lentement, puis son pied gauche et encore son pied droit pour tirer.

Il ne le voit pas tout de suite, mais l’ailier des Springboks Cheslin Kolbe monte comme une flèche et parvient à le contrer. Un fait rarissime et qui a amplement été commenté depuis.

« A chaque transformation il y a des mecs qui montent, donc forcément tu sais qu’il y a des mecs qui vont monter sur toi », raconte Ramos sur RMC. « Je le sens quand il est à deux mètres de moi. Je sens une présence où j’arme ma frappe. Après tout va très vite. Je n’ai pas le temps de rester sur place, il faut se replacer. Et comme l’arbitre dit ok, je me replace. Mais c’est sûr que sur le moment je me retrouve un peu… »

Conformément à la règle

« Je crois que le fait d’avoir joué avec Thomas à Toulouse et de connaître sa routine de buteur m’a aidé », justifiera Kolbe après coup.

« Je crois que j’étais en bonne position, derrière ma ligne d’en-but, quand il a pris son élan et j’ai ensuite couru le plus vite possible vers lui pour tenter de le contrer. Cela a fonctionné et c’était très plaisant.

« J’espérais que [le TMO] ne le vérifierait pas ! Mais même s’il l’avait fait, je suis sûr, pour ma part, que j’ai agi conformément aux règles. »

« C’est bon ! Le timing est bon », dira l’arbitre Ben O’Keeffe dans le feu de l’action.

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Or, que dit justement la règle 8.4 concernant la transformation ?  « Tous les joueurs de l’équipe adverse doivent se replier en arrière de leur ligne de but et ne pas franchir cette ligne avant que le botteur ne se déplace dans quelque direction que ce soit pour commencer son élan pour botter. Quand le botteur commence sa course, les adversaires peuvent charger ou sauter pour empêcher un but mais ne doivent pas être physiquement soulevés par d’autres joueurs dans le cadre de ces actions. »

Est-ce que lorsqu’il commence à amorcer très lentement un mouvement avec son pied droit Ramos autorisait Kolbe à lancer son contre ?

« On a des responsabilités aussi. L’arbitre a des responsabilités. J’ai des responsabilités sur la transformation. Mais je n’ai pas forcément envie d’échanger avec Cheslin », indique Ramos.

« Maintenant, c’est évacué »

Toujours est-il que cette transformation de deux points aurait suffi pour permettre à la France de, au final, remporter la rencontre.

« C’est un évènement qui se passe dans le match », rappelle Thomas Ramos sur RMC. « Je ne vais pas refaire tout le match et ce n’est pas pour enlever du poids de mes épaules, mais pour moi on ne perd pas le match sur cette transformation.

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« On le perd en première mi-temps où on leur donne des points trop facilement. Et, vous avez beaucoup parlé de l’arbitrage… Je te le dis en tant que joueur de rugby, si tu ne leur donnes pas 19 points, peut-être que l’arbitrage, à la fin du match, on n’en parle pas. »

« Il faut aller de l’avant. On en reparlera et on y repensera quand notre carrière sera terminée, mais aujourd’hui on est tous rentrés dans nos clubs, il faut être à 100% pour le club », assure-t-il, prompt à tourner la page.

« Personnellement aujourd’hui c’est évacué. C’est une défaite et elle restera. Mais il y a d’autres objectifs qui arrivent, que ce soit avec le club ou l’équipe de France dans les semaines et les mois à venir. Si tu veux basculer sur une nouvelle compétition et être performant, penser à ce qui s’est passé il y a quatre cinq mois, ça ne te fera pas avancer. »

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GrahamVF 28 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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