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'Adults versus kids': Ex-Wallaby says Crusaders are now out of the picture

The Crusaders huddle before the second half during the round nine Super Rugby Pacific match between Western Force and Crusaders at HBF Park on April 20, 2024, in Perth, Australia. (Photo by Janelle St Pierre/Getty Images)

Former Wallaby Mat Rogers has put a fork through the Crusaders’ playoff hopes after the side’s 37-15 defeat at the hands of the Western Force.

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Despite the two sides being coming into the game with just one win each in 11th and 12th place respectively, the home side rallied to deliver a spirited showing in Kurtley Beale’s debut.

“The Crusaders, they had 14 turnovers tonight, I think half of them would have been from solid defensive hits from the Force,” Rogers explained.

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“They were in their faces all night.”

Dual code international Allana Ferguson compared the Crusaders to children after watching the Force maul demolish them for a third time.

“What about that, that just looks like adults versus kids, that was outstanding,” Ferguson said of the Force’s final maul try.

The Force travel to New Zealand to face the Highlanders, the Chiefs and before returning home to face the Fijian Drua and NSW Waratahs.

Match Summary

5
Penalty Goals
0
4
Tries
3
1
Conversions
0
0
Drop Goals
0
72
Carries
141
4
Line Breaks
5
6
Turnovers Lost
13
7
Turnovers Won
4

Rogers believed that two of the game are winnable, putting them in the hunt for the final eight but he was prepared to write off the Crusaders chances.

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“The confidence that they’ll take off the back of this, Kurtley slotting into that side, he’s only been there a week,” Rogers said of the Force.

“Give him a couple more he will get better, the confidence will grow from within the team. Who knows what the future holds for this team, but they are going to put themselves in the picture.

“I’ve now taken the Crusaders out of that picture. I don’t think they can get there.”

The Crusaders travel home for two games against Australian sides, the Rebels and the Reds, before the southern derby against the Highlanders.

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They then play the Brumbies in Canberra before returning home to play rivals the Blues.

“Yeah, the Crusaders are gone for me too,” Ferguson agreed.

“What I liked about the Force’s game tonight was it was quite balanced. They were successful in a few different ways. Their attack in the first half I thought was pretty good and the defence was what won it for them in the end.

“Obviously the rolling maul was on fire as well, I thought they were pretty well balanced in how they got the win over the Crusaders.”

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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