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After one win and one loss, where are England U20s at in their bid for success?

Marcus Street of England and Jean-Baptiste Gros of France push and shove during the Under 20 Six Nations match between England U20 and France U20 at Sandy Park. (Photo by Dan Mullan/Getty Images)

There will have been some sore egos in the England U20 camp in the aftermath of their 35-27 opening round loss to Ireland in Cork, as the hosts not only beat the visitors, but also denied them any match points from the game.

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There were extraneous variables at play that are undeniable, such as the fact England’s 23 was brought together from 12 different clubs, with only Bristol Bears and Bath not among those represented, and that they had no warm-up matches in the build-up to the tournament.

Conversely, Ireland were drawing their side from four provinces and the group already had two games under their belts, after they’d seen off both Leinster Development and Munster Development at the end of 2018.

That inability to create instant cohesion is one of the reasons why England regularly start the age-grade season slowly but that being said, nothing should be taken away from what was an exceptionally resilient Irish performance in their home opener, nor would they likely turn down England’s player pool in exchange for a little less preparation time.

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Captain David Hawkshaw had been talked up previously, openside Scott Penny was getting positive reviews from his involvement with the senior Leinster side and fly-half Harry Byrne was back after an impressive 2018 season. What really stood out for Ireland in that contest, however, was the emergence of players around those three more well-known operators.

For years, Leinster have dominated the U20 pathway in Ireland, but the quartet of John Hodnett, Craig Casey, Josh Wycherley and Jake Flannery look like an impressive group that Munster can build around in the years to come, whilst Connacht hooker Dylan Tierney-Martin was in the mix for the most impressive performer in that game.

It was a game in which Ireland weathered an early England onslaught, stayed in the game and gradually began to exploit the visitors’ lack of chemistry as a unit, with an effective set-piece, turnover-creating defence and a clinical streak with the ball in hand.

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That Irish performance deserves a lot of credit and they’re ability to back it up a week later in Scotland goes to show that they can be a force in U20 competition this season, but that will not diminish the hurt the England camp will have felt from the defeat.

They are notoriously slow starters and it was an away game against a strong, cohesive group, but this England side know they’re ceiling is high and that they have the firepower in their ranks to beat anyone at this level.

It’s not arrogance, it’s just self-awareness. How could you not know you’re a decent outfit when the starting midfield from their match a week later against France – Marcus Smith, Cam Redpath and Ollie Lawrence – have all been involved in senior England training camps? You can throw second-year lock Joel Kpoku into that category as well, whilst starting blindside Ted Hill even has a senior international cap, after he made his debut against Japan last year.

Ted Hill of England is challenged by Rayne Barka of France during the Under 20 Six Nations match between England U20 and France U20 at Sandy Park. (Photo by Dan Mullan/Getty Images)
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Unfortunately for France, the backlash to that loss was rather significant and it was the reigning World Rugby U20 Champions who were on the receiving end of it at Sandy Park on Saturday.

Again, England were still not the cohesive group that they will most likely be come the summer and they left a fair share of points out on the pitch, but the 31-19 scoreline really doesn’t give a true reflection of the dominance they had in that contest.

To see an age-grade French pack so brutally beaten up in the set-piece was stunning. There really isn’t another word for it.

That pack welcomed back Jean-Baptiste Gros from last year’s group, with the loosehead having broken through with Toulon since also, and whilst it was not the same unit without Demba Bamba or a couple of the second rows who were missing through injury, no one expected them to capitulate in the way they did.

For England, this was the redemption they craved, not only from the opening loss to Ireland, but also the loss to a number of these same French players in the World Rugby U20 Championship final in Beziers last year.

Exeter Chiefs tighthead Marcus Street tore into Gros repeatedly, ultimately sending the Frenchman to the sin-bin, whilst Ollie Adkins and Nic Dolly had similar success in the front row, with Kpoku and Alex Coles providing the ballast behind. As one-sided scrummaging contests go, you’re unlikely to see a more comprehensive beat-down than this one.

In some ways, though, that emphatic set-piece mauling arguably held England back. There was so much focus on the dominance that was being exerted in that area and an unrelenting desire to drive France back and essentially wrestle them into submission, that some opportunities to get the ball wide with tempo, and allow Redpath and Lawrence to test the gain-line, went untaken.

As a starting trio, Smith, Redpath and Lawrence went well. They linked up effectively and looked to be on the same page, albeit without being required takeover the game themselves. The back three of Josh Hodge, Ollie Sleightholme and Arron Reed also had their moments, but as with the midfield, it was a forward-dominated game from start to finish.

One of the key takeaways from the game was the leaps that a number of players had made in their second years at this level, with Gloucester’s Aaron Hinkley one of England’s more impressive performers in Cork, before picking up a well-earned man of the match award in Exeter. He seems more physical and more confident with the ball in hand than he was in 2018, both as an offloader and with his incisive running lines. Street is scrummaging straighter and resisting even the most acute angles from looseheads, whilst Hill and Kpoku just look more comfortable and at ease with themselves at this level.

Joel Kpoku of England is tackled by Jordan Joseph of France during the Under 20 Six Nations match between England U20 and France U20 at Sandy Park. (Photo by Dan Mullan/Getty Images)

The championship now takes a more interesting turn for England, with the Gallagher Premiership resuming this weekend and the U20s likely to lose a number of players to club duty. Smith and Hill will definitely be required by Harlequins and Worcester Warriors respectively, whilst the likes of Kpoku, Lawrence and Tom Hardwick could also be needed due to senior international call-ups. You can probably add the pair of Cadan Murley and Fraser Dingwall, if fit, to that list also.

The next three games, which see England make a trip to Colwyn Bay to take on Wales, before hosting Italy and Scotland in the final rounds, will give a strong indication of where they are at going into the World Rugby U20 Championship in Argentina this summer. The likes of Smith, Hill and Kpoku can perform at this level and whilst the England U20 coaches would surely love to have them in the group, building chemistry, they won’t have any qualms about bringing them back in for the preparation in the summer, as they are more than capable of playing catch up at that point.

Now, Steve Bates, Richard Whiffin, Mark Hopley and James Scaysbrook get to delve a little deeper into their pool of players and experiment with combinations, something which has long been a hallmark of how England use the Six Nations at this level.

If both Smith and Hardwick are required for Premiership rugby, does Bath’s Tom de Glanville get the keys at 10 or will they move Redpath inside, should he not be required by Sale Sharks?

Rus Tuima has shown his enviable ability from the bench and with Hill gone, could Tom Willis slide over to six to make way for Tuima in that back row? That pair coupled with Hinkley would make for some unit, or could the call go out to Andy Christie at Saracens, with the versatile loose forward having missed the start of the competition with injury? His ability to cover all three positions in the back row would be extremely valuable in Argentina.

This is often where England make the most of their advantage in the tight turnarounds of the U20 Championship, boasting a depth of player that allows them to strategically rotate and manage the workload of the competition, without sacrificing results or even try bonus points in the process.

England have the top-end quality to be successful in the summer and, on paper, it looks as though they have the depth, too, but the next three rounds of competition will give a much more valid insight into that.

Watch: Eddie Jones and Owen Farrell speak to the press after the game with France at Twickenham

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JW 48 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about the worst teams not giving up because they are so far off the pace we get really bad scoreline when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together.


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


I'd love to have a table at hand were you can see all the outcomes, and know how likely any of your top 12 teams are going break into Champions rubyg on th back it it are?

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fl 4 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


"I'm afraid to say"

Its christmas time; there's no need to be afraid!

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