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All Black great believes NRL has the best model for Pasifika talent

Charles Piutau of Bristol Bears. (Photo by Dan Mullan/Getty Images)

The disparity between the All Blacks-Tonga clash has put the spotlight once again on the issue of eligibility at the international level after Tonga were outmatched in a 102-0 thumping at Mt Smart Stadium last weekend.

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Discussing the issue on Sky Sport’s The Breakdown, former All Black great John Kirwan highlighted the central contracting system in New Zealand creates a disincentive for Pacific Island players from representing their home nations.

He compared New Zealand Rugby’s [NZR] contracting system to that of the NRL, which has removed conflict of interest from the equation with a separation of club and national control.

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John Kirwan on international eligibility | The Breakdown

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Kirwan suggested that if Super Rugby clubs could fund the majority of a player’s wages, they may be in a position to represent their home nation, such as Tonga.

New Zealand Super Rugby clubs can sign a maximum of three internationally-capped foreign players, and at least one of those players must be from a Pacific Island nation.

However, those players aren’t eligible for NZR top-up funding to boost their pay to their normal market value.

“Central contracting probably doesn’t help,” Kirwan explained to the panel. “If you are playing for an NRL side, and the majority of your money is coming from your club, then you can play for your country.

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“So, maybe there is a need to look at that central contracting because, what Toutai Kefu said, New Zealand have the system that brings players through, and no one begrudges anyone of that, good on them, but if the majority of the money is coming from the national body, you want them to stay and play for you.

“But, if you are actually born in Tonga and you are getting the lion’s share of your money from your Super side, then maybe that changes stuff.”

Ex-All Blacks star Mils Muliana explained the decision for young players is almost made for them as he said the financial rewards of playing for a foreign club pushes them towards a path that means representing another nation at test level.

“When you talk about the national body not really having that funding to allow you the ability to play for your home country and somewhere else does, well of course you are going to go down that track,” he said.

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“We’ve spoken about the eligibility rules for years and years, this isn’t just a 12-month conversation.

“When you are getting paid more to go somewhere else, like Japan or to Europe, then you are to play for your national team, you have to consider that. For a lot of these guys, what they are getting from the Island nations is peanuts.

“It becomes an easy decision, no matter how much you want to come back. These guys want to come back, but they have to support their families, they have to make a living and they have to do it in a short period of time.”

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Bob Salad II 1 hour ago
'England's blanket of despair feels overdone - they are not a team in freefall'

1. RFU must scrape the eligibility rules, England's coach must be able to pick all players regardless of where they play.


I don't think this is going to happen and personally, I don't believe it should. The whole new Enhanced Player Squad (EPS) contracts can only be awarded to EQPs signed to Premiership teams (not sure about Championship sides). The Prem clubs are not going to be agreeable to any changes that see their best players heading off to France/Japan etc. Personally, I believe the Prem should be ring-fenced further with even tighter restrictions on the number of foreign players clubs can have on their books. If the RFU are serious about development pathways, then the Prem and Championship should be establish as the best nurseries for developing emerging EQP.


2. SB and coaching team must improve their coaching, selection and impact/substitutions.


Completely agree. Really disappointed that we're unlikely to see more of the England A/U20 cohort against Japan this week. Seems a perfect opportunity to get some of them on off the bench for 20-mins or so. The disparity between the starting 15 and the bench has been one of the biggest issues this Autumn.


3. England need to change their captain, young props to be given game time, inside centre to be introduced along with a younger fast fullback.


Another hot topic atm., though I'm not sure who you'd replace him with. Someone, somewhere mentioned making George Ford captain, but that creates a whole other set of issues regarding you-know-who. Agree about looking at some alternative 12/13 options. Can't see Borthwick drifting too far from Furbank at FB with Steward covering for high-kicking opposition.

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Flankly 3 hours ago
'England's blanket of despair feels overdone - they are not a team in freefall'

England have all the makings of a good team. We know that, and we have known that for years (including when Eddie was delivering disappointing results). But sometimes the positive comments about under-performing teams sound like describing a darts player as "fantastic, aside from their accuracy".


Its a trivial observation to say that scoring more points and preventing more points against you would result in better outcomes. And points difference does not mean much either, as it is generally less than 5 points with top teams. Usain Bolt would win the 100m sprint by 200 milliseconds (approximately two blinks of an eye), but that doesn't mean the others could easily beat him.


Also, these kinds of analyses tend to talk about how the team in question would just need to do X, Y and Z to win, but assume that opponents don't make any changes themselves. This is nonsense, as it is always the case that both teams go away with a list of work-ons. If we're going to think about what would have happened if team A had made that tackle, kicked that goal or avoided that penalty, the n let's think about what would have happened if team B had passed to that overlap, avoided that card, or executed that lineout maul.


There are lots of things that England can focus on for improvement, but for me the main observation is that they have not been able to raise their game when it matters. Playing your best game when it counts is what makes champions, and England have not shown that. And, for me, that's a coaching thing.


I expected Borthwick to build a basics-first, conservative culture, minimizing mistakes, staying in the game, and squeezing out wins against fancier opponents and game plans. It's not that he isn't building something, but it has taken disappointingly long, not least if you compare it to Australia since Schmidt took over, or SA after Rassie took over.

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