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All Blacks break silence on Bongi Mbonambi accusations
By Ian Cameron
New Zealand defence coach Scott McLeod believes that the potential loss of hooker Bongi Mbonambi would be ‘a massive’ dent for South Africa’s designs on a lifting the Webb Ellis Cup in five days time.
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Mbonambi faces a World Rugby investigation after England flanker Tom Curry alleged during his side’s Rugby World Cup semi-final defeat on Saturday that the Bok hooker called him a ‘white c***’.
The South African refused to shake Curry’s hand after the game and the allegation – which was picked up by Ben O’Keeffe’s ref mic – was widely reported in the press.
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As the only specialist hooker left in the Springboks camp, a potential ban for Mbonambi ahead of the World Cup final would be a significant blow to the defending world champions’ bid to defend the title.
New Zealand defence coach McLeod was asked what sort of impact it would have on the Springboks and he didn’t pull his punches.
“I learned about it this morning. It is something World Rugby will deal with,” said McLeod. ‘If anything came of it, it would be a massive dent for them. He is a leader of their team. When Siya [Kolisi, South Africa captain] goes off, he becomes the captain so I imagine it would impact them.”
This morning World Rugby revealed that they are probing the allegations. “World Rugby takes all allegations of discriminatory behaviour extremely seriously,” a statement from the governing body read. “We can confirm that we are formally reviewing the allegation made by England’s Tom Curry in relation to the use of discriminatory language during the England versus South Africa Rugby World Cup 2023 semi-final on Saturday. World Rugby will not be making further comment until the conclusion of the process.”
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The Springboks are also carrying out their own internal investigation.
This can be resolved next week this time its fine, all I want to see is a great game between the 2 best rugby nations.
And I am saying that he did or didn’t say what Curry assumed he heard, and from little knowledge of the Afrikaans language the word “kant” means “side” In English, which I hear it a lot from my South Africa Afrikaans speaking colleagues at work.
AND we all know that every team would always speak their own language to confuse the other team.
You can’t call someone a black c* but it’s acceptable to call someone a white c***, get real, double standards
No Man. It wasnt a racial Slur. He was just speaking Afrikaans. Wit Kant. Like it was whites side. The springboks communicate in a different language.
If the IRB ban Mbonambi, then the Boks must simply withdraw and default the Cup
I know how you feel Bob, but the better way of doing it is to use the anger to absolutely flatten the ABs. Don’t forget the Boks have bashed the poms so it’s been worthwhile already! I’m going to pray to the French drought god to try and dry things out for Saturday so they can do it. Not sure if it’s still raining they’ll do it, but I have faith in Rasnaber.
Can we let the two best sides onto the paddock in the name of fair play.
There is enough time for the powers that be to deal with the collateral damages in the aftermath of it all.
All the players deserve the spot light at this time and not the world rugby governing body.
When did rugby players become snowflake crybabies.
When you're English 😢😥
World Rugby should look at Curry’s history. Numerous red cards vs a co captain.
ByEBye Box 😅 seems mod.ly petty but wd b no complaint if not said so ByeBye Bongi axd as hes the last true Hooker replacement for Marx ByeBye Box . Sadly record 4th ABs. fwiw IF Bongi is ok to be called a dirty N*** by Curry then maybe ok let him off 😂
You write like a barely literate child. Run along, try finish school and come back when you’re done. But for right now, the adults are talking champ…
Let us guess you’re posting this because you’ve got an afternoon off from the KKK.
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As a white Kiwi I want to see the guy play. Reason is nothing to do with woke or anti woke. ‘If’ he actually said it- if- then I have full confidence that he's regretting it. Apply good ol' SA justice (Mandela style) and something amazing could happen. He could walk out at the head of the Boksvwith a 23 white roses as a symbolic apology. NZ could be waiting to greet him. Sam Cane could accept them and say ‘Enough said- shall we play a game?’
I believe in people and cultures growing through sport. I don't need to see people punished. (Again this is assuming he said it - how big a deal? ) I see a far dirtier world than even proper bad swearing…I I want NZ and SA to show the world competition, cooperation and freindship and a culture of good will between our people's. That's the legacy of the Ab story in NZ I'm most proud of.
I want to see him play as well.
I am a kiwi 🥝 Maori at that.
Bok’s vs NZ at full strength. Let the Northern Hemisphere cry a river.
Gezzzzz
I'm confident that he is regretting it, especially if there are going to be some repercussions. For the sake of pretending to be civilised keep your mouth shut. I hate seeing Rugby players fighting off the ball, these thugs must go… verbal abuse must be punished too
How soft is this pom to be hurt by a nothing sledge… f… whoos
Also there panicking over losing their good players so everyone defending the player in hopes he’s in for the final game however by fact he shouldn’t if rugby world Cup takes racial discrimination seriously then let’s see it if he plays in final then clearly not period
The lord as spoken do not speak against lord or face further famin and more disasters
What would a skaapnaaier know about effall? Do Larry and Daisy know about your silly comments?
I'd like to think NZ would stand down anyone being racist/ antoi semite or just straight up abusive. There is a line. Obviously ‘good process ‘ is needed. I totally believe people need to sort it out if they m ds up. Yet mostly that's an acknowledgement and a hand shake. I don't think anything is served by ‘punishment’ in situations like this.
Only reason southafrica won is becuase the referee assisted them to win both teams have played very well either way ref assisted the win becuase South Africa officials got mardy so the ref gave an extremely late penalty close to touch line so they ended by winning the game the penalty should have been a lot further back ense ref assisted if you disagree then you no nothing so do t comment or be doomed for hell either way like I said both teams played well
Do you even know what punctuation is buddy? Becuase that drivel you write is very hard to comprehend.. you sound like an angry little man child bashing away at a keyboard, whilst making very little sense. Maybe try growing up?
The only reason England lost was kicking away 93% of possession & choosing to take 3 pts rather than go for tries - but being GOD you could have changed the outcome.
It’s funny how all these comments about whether it was Afrikaans or English words used come from SA's. He has been around International rugby long enough to understand the C word & this Afrikaan interpretation is a cop out. He has been bending the Refs ear in every match and is a dirty player.
Since 1995 its been known that the South African team almost always uses Afrikaans on the field. (Dutch Dialect).If you like you can rewatch 30 years of SA ruby and hear all the calls in the line outs and scrums. I’m sure you will hear the word “Kant” being used in each match. Offside = Onkant. I think this is more of an insult to a nations language.
Gaan fok jouself jou moersekont. Oh I so enjoyed that. Need any more?
We all know a South Africans word of choice is Poes not the C word 😂 for the 100th time KANT which does sound like the rude word means SIDE
You're an adult I presume, please act accordingly cause where would you ever tell someone to their face “hey you white kant“ like you said, does that sound right to you. You know exactly what he meant to say so stop covering up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you teach us more sout afrikan please?
In my experience most people know the English and using the English makes a better insult.
Here is the thing about this that is so frustrating. Firstly Bongi would not use that word to be derogatory. He was speaking Afrikaans to his teammates describing England’s side of play. Secondly what he said was “wit kant” which translates into white side. If we are happy to accept the translation for white, but not accept the translation for side then we do Bongi a disservice. You can’t have your bread buttererd both sides.
Let wokeness belong to soccer. If someone knows that Bongi said something & has the interpretation 100% correct, let them sort it out internally.
I heard it & IMO it sounds like he was shouting to defenders where he thinks the ball will go to with “wit kant” being terminology - But, as previously stated, let’s leave politics to soccer, if racial slurs happen in your team, sort it out internally.
Nothing to do with woke. If it happened. If it happened. It's just straight up wrong. As in headstomp sort of wrong. Leave woke dialogue out. No need for fear.
Your correct about what Bongi said. Everything else you wrote, jajajajja. I couldn't care less about the woke movement
Just listened to the video that has been released with ref mic audio. England was switching the direction of play to the blind side after running in field from the previous ruck and you can hear someone shout “jou kant” which translates as “your side”. Even with muffled audio it doesn’t even remotely sound like “white” or “wit”, it is an “ow” sound as in “mow”. Yes, I am South African but sincerely doubt Mbonambi would use a racial slur. Growing up in SA there is massive frustration having to deal with the fall out of apartheid and racial discrimination, playing rugby in teams of all ethnic backgrounds from a young age truly makes you feel part of a team and the guys will be like brothers regardless of race. With all the constant scrutiny we grow up with and being tarred as a racist country makes you exceptionally aware of avoiding use of language that can be interpreted as racist slurs so I am guessing it is more likely just Tom Curry misinterpreting. P.s. Footage with the audio is on ruck.co.uk for anyone that actually wants to bother listening.
As a Afrikaans speaking South African myself, I can promise anybody that you’ll go far before hearing someone calling someone else a cnt… In South Africa we use the word “poes”, pronounce “puss”. It’s a derogatory term for a vagina. It is used more often than any other cuss except, maybe, “fok” (Afrikaans for fck). Tha chance that Bongi said “kant”, pronounced the same as c*nt, is more plausable. If he wanted to swear at Curry, he would more likely have called him a “poes”. One, because an english person would hear “puss” and, two, it’s South African’s most used swear word.
This is all 100% legit.
I think the problem here is that rugbypass is unable to write the word cunt. Say it load and clear. We are talking about the use of discriminatory language, not bad language. Say it loud and clear; cunt, cunt, cunt. Then you might be about to address the shocking aspect of the phrase: white.
Say cunt and get over it, starring out a letter doesn’t make it any less of a word. It’s a word for a vagina that in other languages does not carry the same silly connotation of being “rude”. Just say it loud and clear “cunt”.
Now address what was wrong with what the SA hooker allegedly said: that Curry is a white cunt.
Drawing attention to the word “cunt” rather than the word “white” only leaves the reader feeling that the debate must be about whether or not Curry is a cunt… as it’s pretty obvious he is white.
People need to educate themselves because making outrageous accusations like this. He was speaking Afrikaans to his team mate and referring to the “white side”, “wit kant”, pronounced “vit cunt”.
Only discrimination here is by Curry against someone that doesn't only speak their language, English.
It’s a shame that one else herd this but what did curry say first to have this comment said to him if it was said is it just because England lost again farrill gave S A the first points then at the end for more chatback to the ref the discipline on the english players is poor I for one thing this is just a load off crap from a side that lost because of the discipline from the team and mostly from the captain that had been banded from first few game as like curry
People need to educate themselves because making outrageous accusations like this. He was speaking Afrikaans to his team mate and referring to the “white side”, “wit kant”, pronounced “vit cunt”.
Only discrimination here is by Curry against someone that doesn't only speak their language, English.
Fucking good job Curry didn't call him a black c*nt…he'd be banned for a year. What a crock of shit and storm in a teacup
People need to educate themselves because making outrageous accusations like this. He was speaking Afrikaans to his team mate and referring to the “white side”, “wit kant”, pronounced “vit cunt”.
Only discrimination here is by Curry against someone that doesn't only speak their language, English.
this is just another usual lie by England. they lost now suddenly this accusation comes out. I believe Curry might have said something to Mbonambi. now he's hitting the Black player knowing the potential Ban that could be caused for Mbonambi. We need constructive proof and evidence. a hearsay is simply that please leave Mbonambi alone Englang
This accusation has not suddenly come out after the loss, you are well aware of that. It was brought to the referees attention immediately after it happened, on the field. You can hear the posh white cunt walk up to the referee and complain about what Mbonami said to him.
A few points.
Re: These comments, has anyone else heard this racial discrimination through the on-field mics or next to them when this happened, is it only from Curry, it would be interesting to see the outcome, the big question here is what Curry said to him to get a reaction like that.
Racism is a huge problem worldwide not just in Africa and it's sad to see people make comments pointing the finger exclusively towards SA
Words were exchanged that brought this on.
Not shaking hands, Curry must have said something bad to him. He has always come across as an ambassador for the game These players are SA idols just like any other team for their own countries.
Not looking for an excuse here. I can't see how Curry would have come up with this if there was any Afrikaans spoken he would not have a clue what was said never mind translate it to English and say what he alleges Bongani said Fingers crossed that it is not the case and racial discrimination is not used here.
Thank you for being rational.
LETS TALK RUGBY
The current vibe around Tom Curry if true is sad
But
Is the world and the Anti South Africa Factions having Selective Hearing or listening with one ear
The fact that the entire Bok Team refused to shake hands with Old Tommy can only be that just maybe he used the""K"" word FIRST on our number 2!!!!!
We trust World Rugby Officials have both ears tuned in????)
The TRUTH will come out
The 2019 English defeat and their behaviour was pathetic so here in 223 is a more sinister reaction to them losing
The Engelse should take note that BIG BOYS DON'T CRY AND THAT IF YOU RUN WITH THE BIG DOGS YOU NEED TO LEARN TO????
HAVING SAID ALL THAT BOTH FRANCE AND ENGLAND ARE SEEMING TO BE POOR LOSERS
Hier Kom die Bokke
cHecK YoUr CapS LoCk