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All Blacks legend issues warning for Kalyn Ponga over code switch following Benji Marshall failure

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Former All Blacks legend Sir John Kirwan has labelled Kalyn Ponga’s potential move from the NRL to rugby union as “high risk” and warned the youngster that it will take more than one season to find his feet in rugby union.

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The 21-year-old has reportedly been offered a $4.5 million contract by his current side, the Newcastle Knights, to keep him at the club until 2023.

His upgraded contract offer includes a clause to jump to the XV-man code in the final year of his contract to let him chase his childhood dream of representing the All Blacks at the 2023 World Cup in France.

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However, Kirwan told the Sydney Morning Herald that Ponga will need more than one season in rugby union if he is intent on making the All Blacks’ World Cup squad in three years’ time.

“I don’t think he could do it in one year,” the 63-test ex-All Blacks star said. “It would be high risk on his part. He could take that risk if he wants, but this All Blacks team has some guys who are pretty big competitors and like to succeed. I think he needs two years. He’s got nothing to lose. A two-year contract and if it doesn’t work out he can go back to league.

“This has nothing to do with money. For guys at this level, what I’ve realised is that they want a different challenge. I believe that’s what Kalyn wants, and if he wants to have a crack then it won’t be about money. He’s got the ability man, for sure. He’s got the ability, he just has to decide which position and I think he’s more a 10 or a 15.”

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Kirwan, who switched codes himself when he joined the Auckland Warriors in 1994 after representing the All Blacks for a decade, has experience to back up his theory.

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While coaching the Blues between 2013 and 2015, Kirwan recruited NRL legend Benji Marshall from the Wests Tigers to join the Auckland franchise for the 2014 Super Rugby campaign.

The acquisition of the one-time NRL champion and 28-test Kiwis star proved to be a failure, though, as Marshall only made six appearances before switching back to rugby league to link up with the St George-Illawarra Dragons.

Kirwan suggested there were lessons to be learned from Marshall’s failed code switch for both himself, Ponga and any other potential code-hoppers.

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“Benji just needed more time in the game and, sadly, I didn’t have that time in the game,” Kirwan told the Herald.

“He would have been fine had he come over earlier and I was able to give him more time in the saddle. But we started losing and then all of a sudden you find yourself under pressure and I had no time to give him the attention and time he needed.

“In the end it was a mutual decision that ‘This is not working out’. I was really about it to be honest, because I felt the situation let him down.”

Given his age and background, though, Kirwan said he believed that Ponga has two key factors working in his favour which Marshall didn’t have.

“It’s better do it when you’re younger, and you’ve got a background in the sport, which Kalyn ticks both boxes. Guys who have played rugby at school, guys like Solomone Kata, who is now on the wing for the Brumbies … it’s going to be a lot easier. I’m pretty sure if Roger [Tuivasa-Sheck] wanted to come over it would only take him a couple of games and he’d be all good.”

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JW 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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