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All Blacks may be allowed to play in Mitre 10 Cup again, but with a catch

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The New Zealand public may not have seen the last of All Blacks playing in the Mitre 10 Cup this year.

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That’s the glimmer of hope provided by Canterbury co-coach Reuben Thorne for those eager to see New Zealand’s top players back in action in the country’s premier provincial competition.

There was plenty of fanfare surrounding the availability of All Blacks for the opening fortnight of the Mitre 10 Cup as players from Ian Foster’s 35-man squad were released to play for their respective provinces.

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That blanket availability of players across the country led to the likes of the Barrett brothers playing a key role in Taranaki’s 23-22 Ranfurly Shield victory over a Canterbury side stacked with numerous All Blacks.

Similarly, Auckland and Wellington were brimming with All Blacks when they faced off at Eden Park on Sunday, while the likes of Damian McKenzie, Sevu Reece and Aaron Smith were standouts for Waikato, Tasman and Manawatu, respectively.

The prospect of those players returning to the Mitre 10 Cup were effectively nullified, however, when it was announced that Foster’s squad would congregate for a three-day camp in Whakatane beginning on Monday.

Another three-day camp is set to take place in Hamilton next week, before the team assembles again ahead of the All Blacks’ first test of the year, a Bledisloe Cup clash against the Wallabies in Wellington on October 11.

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Foster’s side will then take on Dave Rennie’s team again a week later in Auckland before jetting off to Australia with 11 additional players for the Rugby Championship, which is due to kick-off on November 7.

Quarantine restrictions to and from Australia will mean the All Blacks will spend nine weeks away from home, which has virtually eliminated the prospect New Zealand’s top brass of talent from returning en masse to the Mitre 10 Cup.

However, Thorne revealed to Stuff that he has received word that players may become available in the lead-up to the All Blacks’ departure to Australia on a “case-by-case” basis.

“All we’ve heard is that there may be some players released on a case-by-case scenario. Exactly when we find out, I’m not sure,” Thorne said.

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“We’ve got a plan to be without them, and if we get one or two drop back in at some stage, that’s a bonus.”

Should some All Blacks be released back to their provinces before Foster’s squad jet off across the Tasman, it is unlikely the established members of the side would be let go leading into the Bledisloe Cup series.

Consequently, it’s highly improbable that those such as Smith, Beauden Barrett and Sam Cane will return to their sides over the coming weeks.

However, those on the periphery of the squad or lacking substantial game time through injury may be among those back in provincial colours within the next month.

Those that fit that bill include Tasman lock Quinten Strange, who missed most of the Super Rugby season with a hand injury, and his Crusaders teammate Cullen Grace, who recently returned to action from a broken thumb via Canterbury.

Auckland coach Alama Ieremia also told Stuff that he would lavish the chance for star man Patrick Tuipulotu, who missed Auckland’s first two matches of the season through an Achilles injury, to suit up in the blue and white hoops this weekend.

The return of Grace would be a much-welcomed one for Thorne, who told Stuff of his disappointment at losing the Log O’ Wood after only three defences.

“At the end of the day, when we look at that game, we will reflect on a pretty average start. You can’t give a team with the quality Taranaki had a head start and expect to come back,” he said.

Canterbury will look to bounce back from the defeat when they face Championship side Hawke’s Bay in Napier on Saturday.

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JW 4 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Yep, that's exactly what I want.

Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.

It's 'or'. If Glasgow won the URC or Scotland won the six nations. If one of those happens I believe it will (or should) be because the league is in a strong place, and that if a Scotland side can do that, there next best club team should be allowed to reach for the same and that would better serve the advancement of the game.


Now, of course picking a two team league like Scotland is the extreme case of your argument, but I'm happy for you to make it. First, Edinbourgh are a good mid table team, so they are deserving, as my concept would have predicted, of the opportunity to show can step up. Second, you can't be making a serious case that Gloucester are better based on beating them, surely. You need to read Nicks latest article on SA for a current perspective on road teams in the EPCR. Christ, you can even follow Gloucester and look at the team they put out the following week to know that those games are meaningless.


More importantly, third. Glasgow are in a league/pool with Italy, So the next team to be given a spot in my technically imperfect concept would be Benneton. To be fair to my idea that's still in it's infancy, I haven't given any thought to those 'two team' leagues/countries yet, and I'm not about to 😋

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.

Incorrect. You aren't obviously familiar with knockout football Finn, it's a 'one off' game. But in any case, that's not your argument. You're trying to suggest they're not better than the fourth ranked team in the Challenge Cup that hasn't already qualified in their own league, so that could be including quarter finalists. I have already given you an example of a team that is the first to get knocked out by the champions not getting a fair ranking to a team that loses to one of the worst of the semi final teams (for example).

Sharks are better

There is just so much wrong with your view here. First, the team that you are knocking out for this, are the Stormers, who weren't even in the Challenge Cup. They were the 7th ranked team in the Champions Cup. I've also already said there is good precedent to allow someone outside the league table who was heavily impacted early in the season by injury to get through by winning Challenge Cup. You've also lost the argument that Sharks qualify as the third (their two best are in my league qualification system) South African team (because a SAn team won the CC, it just happened to be them) in my system. I'm doubt that's the last of reasons to be found either.


Your system doesn't account for performance or changes in their domestic leagues models, and rely's heavily on an imperfect and less effective 'winner takes all' model.

Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't.

No your systems doesn't. Not all the time/circumstances. You literally just quoted me describing how they aren't going to care about Challenge Cup if they are already qualifying through league performance. They are also not going to hinder their chance at high seed in the league and knockout matches, for the pointless prestige of the Challenge Cup.


My idea fixes this by the suggesting that say a South African or Irish side would actually still have some desire to win one of their own sides a qualification spot if they win the Challenge Cup though. I'll admit, its not the strongest incentive, but it is better than your nothing. I repeat though, if your not balance entries, or just my assignment, then obviously winning the Challenge Cup should get you through, but your idea of 4th place getting in a 20 team EPCR? Cant you see the difference lol


Not even going to bother finishing that last paragraph. 8 of 10 is not an equal share.

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