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All Blacks props condemned by former coach

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Veteran All Blacks props Owen Franks and Joe Moody were eclipsed by their young Wallabies opposites and should be demoted, according to former coach John Hart.

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Former coach John Hart is calling for an overhaul of the All Blacks front row, saying they were completely outplayed by the Wallabies big men in the Perth Bledisloe Cup boilover.

Hart said Owen Franks and Joe Moody should be bench props at best in this week’s return clash in Auckland after the veteran starters fell short of expectations in the 47-26 loss.

Winger Ben Smith was also in the firing line after another subdued outing, with Hart advocating for Beauden Barrett to remain starting fullback because of his greater verve.

Hart told Radio Sport New Zealand’s problems started up front, where centurion Franks and long-time Crusaders teammate Moody managed just a single run between them. Younger Australian opposites Scott Sio and Allan Ala’alatoa racked up 20.

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While that was symptomatic of the lopsided possession count, Hart said the Kiwi pair hadn’t met coach Steve Hansen’s demands to be more energetic around the park.

Reserve props Atu Moli and Angus Ta’avao contributed considerably more with ball in hand and Hart suggested the inexperienced pair should be considered to start at Eden Park, where New Zealand needed to remedy their lack of energy at the collision.

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“Steve said he was looking for more from his props … I thought on Saturday night we saw eight Australian forwards with the capacity to carry the ball and make inroads into the defence. You didn’t see many ball-carrying All Black forwards,” he said.

“There was a lot of pressure on the props this week to carry the ball – it didn’t happen. Maybe we need to change in terms of who we start and finish with.”

Hart reserved judgment on the tactic to field the inexperienced Richie Mo’unga at five-eighth and regular No.10 Barrett at fullback.

He said the pair lacked the requisite forward platform in Perth and a week earlier when New Zealand drew with South Africa.

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However he said it was clear 33-year-old Smith couldn’t emulate the sharp running of Barrett and shouldn’t be considered again at fullback, which has been his primary role in a celebrated 79-Test career.

“The electricity that Beauden Barrett provides at 15 would be lacking in Ben Smith, so you can’t quite get the same thing,” he said.

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Rieko took literally years to turn from a defensive liability at 13 into a guy, who’s defensively sound as it befits the position. And it all came at the cost of him being much less of an offensive threat, than what he used to be. Proctor is a natural 13, he handles, passes, and kicks way better than Rieko ever will, he just isn’t as fast.


It’s unfair to judge Tupaea on the handful of games he’s had in 2022 before he got nearly crippled by a Wallaby lock. What could Tupaea/Proctor pairing be, if they got the same amount of chances as Jordie/Rieko?


Because no matter how you spin it, playing a player outside of his natural position is a poor asset management. No matter how talented he is, he still competes against players who had years and years of practice at the position. And if said guy is so talented that he actually CAN compete against specialists, imagine how much better still he could have been, if he had all those years to iron the toothing issues at the position. It just drives me mad.


Two things I hate in rugby union beyond description: aping after league, and playing players outside of their natural position. Especially considering, that they all admit they hate it, when they’re allowed to speak freely. Owen Farrell spent 80% of his international career at 12, saying every time when asked, that he is a 10 and prefers to play at 10. Those players are literally held at a gunpoint: play out of position, or no national jersey for you.

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