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‘What a statement’: Andy Goode accuses former All Black of Kiwi ‘arrogance’
By Finn Morton
Former England playmaker Andy Goode has accused ex-New Zealand wing Jeff Wilson of Kiwi “arrogance” in the wake of the All Blacks’ disastrous 35-7 loss to South Africa.
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Playing in front of more than 80,000 fans at Twickenham on Friday, the All Blacks were blown off the park in a way that nobody saw coming.
Tries to Siya Kolisi and Kurt-Lee Arendse, and a red card to All Black Scott Barrett, saw the Boks take a hard-earned 14-nil lead into the break. South Africa looked great, but their best rugby was yet to come.
South Africa embarrassed their New Zealand rivals as they put on an attacking clinic during the second term. It was a record-breaking defeat for the All Blacks.
Former New Zealand halfback Justin Marshall described the defeat as “worrying” ahead of the World Cup, but another ex-All Black doesn’t seem anywhere near as concerned.
“That was the best the Springboks can play, that’s it,” former All Black Jeff Wilson said on Sky Sport NZ’s The Breakdown. “We know that we can play so much better.
“There’s not another team in this competition coming forward that we can anticipate that will play like that.”
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That comment from Wilson has not gone down well in the northern hemisphere.
Ex-England flyhalf Andy Goode shared the clip on X – formerly Twitter – and wrote: “Is this the arrogance of Kiwis again?! Haha what a statement from Jeff Wilson!!”
Is this the arrogance of Kiwis again?! Haha what a statement from Jeff Wilson!! pic.twitter.com/CirlmNR0P9
— Andy Goode (@AndyGoode10) August 28, 2023
At the time of writing, Goode’s post has 674 likes, 95 reposts and more than 180 comments. One of the commenters disagreed with Wilson by suggesting that South Africa could play better.
The All Blacks will play World Cup hosts and favourites France in the opening Test of rugby’s showpiece event. That clash will be held at Stade de France on September 8.
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what’s Jeffery say now?
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Not taking poms too seriously is not arrogance just good judgement
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Further to some Jeff’s comments. The continual time wasting and slowing up the game, and specifically set pieces, by the All Blacks to slow the game and stop the Boks rhythm was a pity. Going forward we need to make sure the refs make sure the All Blacks don’t slow the game down when they are under pressure. The crowds pay money and don’t want all this time wasting
What is funny is we actually left 20+ points out there. We can be at least 20% better still.
No you can't. The bolt has been shot way before the main course.
"It's not arrogance if you can back it up" - Muhammad Ali
Jeff Wilson got this dead right in my opinion. The Boks have laid all of their cards on the table for all to see. Two weeks out from the main event. A premature ejaculation of the highest order.
Can the Boks improve? Sure. But in a diminishing return way, on the margins. It wasn't that long ago that a motivated, disciplined, ABs nuked them at Mt Smart. 15 on 15. Game over at HT.
Twickers was clearly a moneymaker outlier. Zero to do with the RWC. Discount the ABs at your peril. Bring it on.
The previous two Tests the All Blacks played The Springboks they each thrashed each other.
Both teams are capable of devising agameplan to beat each other.
That's it in a nutshell.
The World Cup is what it's about.
I believe that The All Blacks will use the recent pain as motivation and they will have that crucial mindset of not one iota of complacency.
After thrashing Ireland in the quarters, I belive their mindset was not switched on and thought they would beat the England team comfortably.
At this elite level when bodies are primed, it is the correct mindset, that is the most crucial factor.
But officiating in this World Cup could see a better team beaten.
None of us want that.
Let's hope that the best team wins this World Cup, without controversy.
I can only hope...
There's going to be some pearlers, for sure.
Exciting times for us rugby fans.
I respect The Springbok team more than any other, I always have and I have been watching rugby since 1970 All Black tour to South Africa.(Well I listened to it on the radio)
so AB's hold sole rights to improving? Shell-shocked people can say the strangest things, appearing deranged
Who is this andy goode person don't know then so obviously wasn't good enough to be remembered
Sorry, also forgot to mention Google. That's G. O. O. G. L. E in case you've never heard of it. Andy played for England 17 times and even for the Sharks (Natal, not Sale).
Oh really so you ARE as thick as you sound! Oh sorry, forgot, you're doing the Kiwi version of subtlety?
I do agree with that Dave! What I do not hear in reports is this was against 13 for 10 minutes of the game and 14 for most of it. SA were very good but maybe it is easy to push over a weakened opponent
Conveniently forgetting the first ten minutes spent mainly in the ABs half with a full (and as usual, spoiling) team?
I think this RWC will see more 15 v 13 /14 men games down to accidental collisions or foul play. Discipline and knowing when to go for the jackal/big hit is going to be key. BTW for 10 of the 107 mins it was 14 v 14. Barretts card/s were caused by pressure and him trying to be the enforcer.
Here is a novel thought:
The basic reason why the All Blacks pummelled the Springboks in the Rugby Championship was that SA didn’t really pick their best pack combination and they had some key players (their captain) injured. They were unable to get into the game at the start because of a somewhat disjointed build up in the preceding week which meant they weren’t quite physically conditioned.
Oh, and the basic reason why the Springboks pummelled the All Blacks in London was that NZ didn’t really pick their best pack combination as they had some key players (Retallick and Frizell) injured and had their best forward (Barrett) sent off the field for more than half the game. They were unable to get into the game at the start because of a somewhat disjointed build up in the preceding week which meant they weren’t quite physically conditioned.
Neither result really has that much bearing on the next, to be honest. Both have shown in the last few years that either can beat each other. It will depend on how each respective team selects and prepares for it on the day. Same as always.
Call me arrogant if you want. It is beneath me.
Andy who?
I think we need perspective here.
The loss was by no means disastrous, or terminal, nor world ending....it was just a loss.
The boks may indeed be capable of playing better.
The kiwis are certainly capable of playing better.
Try being an England fan!!
Forget Wilson GOODE he out qualifys you in every department , all media may crazy statements you guys not exempt , the real issue shud be your under performing English RWC squad
Start grading them ??????
RWC 2019. Opening match. Boks lose to ABs. Final. Boks win. … Lose all your warmups. Lose your opening game. You can still win the knockout rugby …
moody's elbow hit the deck 3 times in first 20 mins without penalty plus ref appeared to have different set of side entry laws for each team - no wonder ref didn't get the final - one hopes
Totally agree with Jeff TBH
Its your brain damage talking. Put your helmet back on and get back to your crayons
The Boks had a bit of an experimental backline in that game so I think they will improve.
I don’t think this AB team has the ability to play rubbish and still win like other ABs teams have done. If this group is off the mark they get dealt to.
My concern is the way the AB's played the game - Failing under pressure is a big negative for NZ - When pressured on the gain line this AB group are consistent failures - There game falls apart - penalties creep in and yellow/red cards appear - We cannot get away from the fact that it is pressure from the opposition causing it - it is not about the Boks not being able to play the same for 7 matches - they had the ability to deliver on the day and played exceedingly well - This type of performance by NZ has become a habit - We were beaten up - Yes - We - I am a NZ Supporter - A shockingly bad performance like that is a major major concern - The mental attitude was very poor and lets stop kidding ourselves - WE WERE BEATEN UP - The signs were there in the last world cup semi final - But nothing has been done about it - We have been on the wrong path ever since that game - Lets be honest - Many of us knew this was going to happen - I am shocked that NZ Supporters are surprised - I am not surprised - I am pissed off - We have not given the world cup due respect that it deserves - We knew Foster was not the man to take us to the world cup - we knew this shit was going happen - All I can say about the game is - WELL DONE SOUTH AFRICA - THE AB'S WERE A DISGRACE.
iF WE HAD OF BEATEN THE BOKS BY THE SAME MARGIN - WE WOULD BE LAUGHING - This piss poor performance is only the result we deserve because the AB's have been shocking for 4 years - WAY OFF THE MARK.
While I don’t really agree with what Wilson said, I get the impression that Goodey has general disdain for kiwi supporters regardless.
I think you're right Jen. It seems to be inbuilt into some people's psyche to have disdain for any accomplishment outside the glow of their own tribe/team.
Deep breaths, what we all say is irrelevant
Jeff Wilson was a wonderful player, but he is known for some shoddy and shallow analysis.
He never won a World Cup. He was nowhere in the same league as Kirwan, Lomu, Bryan Williams or Cullen.
SA played in particular very well, credit to them. But like quite a few are waking upto several days after this massive loss for us Kiwi, is that NZ are NZ and if anyone thinks we are dead and buried, then think again.
SA people think they have won the cup already, the Irish have dismissed NZ, but the French have remained silent, not saying anything and do you want to know why?. Because the French are not underestimating NZ, like they do in Ireland, Wales, etc, etc, because of a heavy defeat.
The media bandwagon in the NH is terrible and it proves in actual fact that they despise NZ rugby, because they constantly criticise NZ rugby one way or another.
SA people are also among, if not THE most obnoxious supporters on the planet and I hope they get downs by Ireland or Scotland in the RWC, because somehow, I do not think they would be capable of putting in that same performance against NZ in a while. People also forget that NZ crushed SA by 35 in the RC too. The media makes out NZ is dead and buried, people believe this tripe, but believe it at your own peril.
The French, Scottish and surprisingly enough the English have remained quiet about it, because they know that NZ aint dead and buried and that is respect, like I have respect for France and Scotland and to a certain extent England too.
But all those who have given us the two fingers because of 1 heavy defeat, obviously missed the mark on the 35 point mauling NZ gave to SA in the RC, thats the thing.
As for SA, my respect for them has all but gone now. It is not their side, it is their supporters, they have no respect what so ever. I am not one for drilling in when we crush them, but they are to us and that to me shows a complete lack of respect. So SA, when you next lose and trust me, you will, I will be as vicious as your supporters have been. As for SA friends I had, who know I am not one for being obnoxious like that, you are barred from ever speaking to me, because the amount of attacks and vicious comments that they think is agreeable to do, when one does not do that back, is unacceptable and a fine way to lose friends and lose respect.
I hope SA get injuries in that Group B, big injuries, that has them being crushed by NZ in the QF. No longer do I want Ireland in the QF, but SA, bigtime want them, just to prove a point that NZ are not dead and buried like so many think from just 1 performance.
Underestimate NZ at your own peril.
Why on earth do you think South Africa would want the respect of a sniveling worm as yourself? You actually wish injuries upon our team? Yeah, well, I wish you an anal cyst that starts bleeding the day NZ goes home. Which would be after beating Italy, Uruguay and Namibia. But I hope your players remain healthier than you, you sick puppy.
Obviously mate, you have a deep-seated lack of character analysis of the human race, and of the humans that play and support rugby. Where did it go wrong: your childhood, in the slammer, on a stadium? Go fly a kite, matey.
Relax man
It’s a game : you shouldn’t wish injuries on any team
Nz might bounce back and win the cup and they might not … there are some very good teams participating this time around
I love the NZ style of rugby and their attacking style and skills and would be happy to see them win the World Cup if my country don’t
But calm down
Mate, I know that there are some vicious fans out there for all teams, but don’t let a few muppets tar your perspective. They’re just the angry noisy ones and there are as many ABs-supporting dickheads out there as there are SA, Irish and French supporters. Their viciousness might come from them encountering the worst of our fans (or not). Wishing injuries on other teams is not the way to go. Take a deep breath and sit back and wait for the ABs bounce back - they’ll be hyped for France, and hopefully we’ll have a better game plan than whatever that shambles was last weekend and some decent impact players on the bench.
I dont think the french read this website and I dont think this website publishes anything the french say because that wouldd require them to use google translate and theyre too flippin lazy to do that, so saying the french are being silent is kinda hilarious.
Rubbish. We dont think weve won already. Dont be ridiculous.
Respect u earn we always give it but u Nz rugby have gotten the rub off the green for to long,and robbing the islands of their best players,so keep quiet about Respect Nz is the 1 nation we Respect the most,but u guys need to get your fare share off calls also,remember the biggest crook Brice Lawrence, so stuff u with all do Respect
Dear DCS. How many SA supporters do you know personally?Ten, one thousand, ten thousand? I have always respected the ABs and their supporters but there are a FEW that I don't respect, like you and Ben Smith. Your comments give away your character, or lack thereof. But we experience supporters like you across the board in all countries. Unfortunately you make the most noise and make it sound as if the majority share your opinion. I suggest you take a deep breath and relax mate. Lets love this great game of ours together and enjoy some banter and not be like crying babies about it. I don't wish any All Black to be hurt or banned for the QF. But I will be wearing my Green and Gold with pride when we play the ABs. I hope you bring your best, no cards, no injuries: no excuses.
Sour, sour grapes! You just called for Springboks to get serious injuries, so what were you saying about SA fans?
I'm sure that there's an element of team players (nz) timing issues, player short, incredible bok pressure and the small percentages between top side's. Perhaps Fosters so upbeat because like in 2015, they overtrained getting stick for being below par, and it's part of a cunning sacrifice to keep their powder dry. All will be revealed V oon, and anyway it's not a straight knockout like England might suffer. They'll be thereabouts I suspect. More easily fixable than England's three wheeler.
Foster is upbeat as it was a warm-up fixture of no meaning. The side didn’t prepare well, word is coaches were unhappy with players going out mid-week. So now they can blast the side & players will listen
Thing is- that was the first time that 15 and 23 played together in that combination. So even die-hard Saffas prob were not expecting that scoreline. From watching the rugby championship- where the Boks literally did not contest a single lineout. Did not do much with the maul- it was clear they were holding back in that department. One game does not fix kicking issues, so will have to see Libboks kicking can be consistent(although his approach did change with the kicks), in tight games they will need to bury those 3 pointers.
The big question for me is the centre combo. Tried and tested DDA and Kriel- safe bet although not to exciting ), or play AEsterhuzien who can back up as a loosie incase of cards(which will obvioudly be dished out in the WC), then potentially have Moodie as the 13, - 7-1 is a very risky bench option especially if u get an injury to a specific backline player.
Scots are known to run the ball so the centre choice will he telling.
NZ centre combo have now come umder scrutinuly after that performance aswell as the lack of a DMac for when NZ chasing the game.
All Blacks will come back hard at the French. But the French have alot of depth, Jalibert looked deadly on sunday. Should be a cracking game- but I think the French will edge it.
Then what for the All Blacks?.. lost 2 tuff games- they still have a good bet of making the semi's.
Key will be to see if the group of Death takes its physical toll on SA ,Ireland or Scot(yeah they have a chance)- helping the ABs in the 1/4s...
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Yes NZ can play so much better than they did, but can they improve enough to beat SA if they play that well again? It's not often a team puts a perfect performance together but that was very close to it from South Africa - have they wasted that on a warm up game? In 2011 NZ played their best game in the semi vs Australia and then struggled to get up the next week against a worse team in the final.
SA, like every other team, have the ability to put in a dud performance every few games. A lack of intensity for a half and some bad luck could see them knocked out at the pool stage. The one thing that is for sure is that SA won't be able to replicate that performance for 7 consecutive weeks.
think they have a very good chance tho - forwards only need to play 40 mins per week and backline players just about equally interchangeable as forwards (without loss of performance), they have a cup winning % of 43% (10% more than NZ), have never lost a final in three attempts (from 7 cups, excluded from 87 & 91) i wouldn't bet against them,
with squad depth Id say boks and France are the only two sides who can maintain an intensity for 7 weeks
Like Barnes, Goode is better known as a writer than a player. Which isn't saying much.
Goodie is a world class pundit gives fair assessment when due I actually think he is one of the best to listen too. Jeff is also a great pundit and I love listening to him on the breakdown, he is far more balanced than Kirwin. However he didn’t do NZ any favours with that comment firstly suggesting SA couldn’t play better even though we messed up 3 try scoring opportunities to take the points tally to 50, missed 39 tackles the worst of the year so far. SA can play significantly better than that, however the main issue is he basically told France and Ireland you can’t play better than that, what a stick to use for motivation and to pile even more pressure on the All Blacks who were woeful on the day
Barnes has been very appreciative of the ABs in his writing over the years.
This ABs team hasn’t been great and he’s acknowledging it. Whether his analysis is right or not is another matter though.
Well Barnes never won anything in his life and it is obvious the guy despises Kiwi rugby. The guy is a leeching parasite who needs to realise that he never won anything and that his jealousy about Kiwi rugby is pathetic and immature.
Old Goody is right in this case