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Any of 4 nations could be world No.1 after this weekend

Wales v New Zealand – Autumn International – Principality Stadium

Any one of four nations can end the weekend ranked number one – with Ireland, France, New Zealand and South Africa all able to grab the top spot.

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Les Bleus will assume top spot if they beat Japan and Ireland fail to beat Australia – unless the All Blacks also defeat England by more than 15 points. Such a scenario will see the All Blacks return to number one and Ireland drop down to third.

If New Zealand win by more than 15 points, they will still climb above a victorious France as Les Bleus cannot improve their rating with victory due to the 12.61 rating points between the two sides before home weighting is factored in.

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Ireland cannot improve their rating with victory over Australia due to the 9.99 points between the sides before home weighting is factored in.

The Boks can climb to second if they beat Italy by more than 15 points, Ireland lose by the same margin and France are also beaten.

South Africa must win by more than 15 points and hope that France, New Zealand and Ireland are all beaten – the latter by more than 15 points – to return to number one.

England will climb above South Africa – who they play the following weekend – if they beat NZ and the Boks lose to Italy with one of the margins being by more than 15 points.

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However, Eddie Jones’ side can drop to seventh if they lose by more than 15 points and Australia and Argentina win by the same margin in Dublin and Edinburgh.

Italy will return to the top ten for the first time since June 2013 if they beat South Africa and Japan lose to France. The Azzurri could equal their highest ever ranking of eighth – a position they last occupied briefly in August 2007 – if they win by more than 15 points and Australia, Scotland and Wales all lose by the same margin.

Gregor Townsend’s Scotland must beat Argentina by more than 15 points to be the higher ranked of the two nations as a smaller margin will leave them 0.05 rating points behind Los Pumas.

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JW 1 hour ago
Where is the new breed of All Black 10?

These kids have been playing in leagues comparable to SR, not the NPC

The likes of games these guys get introduced to are closer to NPC than SR.


This is the team Sam played with in his first Leinster game;

Ed BYRNE

Tadgh MCELROY

Tom CLARKSON

Alex SOROKA

Brian DEENY

James CULHANE

Will CONNORSE

Max DEEGAN

Nick MCCARTHY

Sam PRENDERGAST

Dave KEARNEY

Ben BROWNLEE

Liam TURNER

Tommy O'BRIEN

Chris COSGRAVE

It’s too short, not as competitive and there are (usually) no test players in that comp.

You’re talking about something else altogether, sure, I’m not saying people around the world want to watch the NPC, but locally its just the same with a large amount of internationals playing, even All Blacks.

The evidence the NPC is not on par is in the U20 WC. SH sides haven’t won it since 2017

You obviously have had very little exposure to New Zealand rugby. The NPC is made up all the Super Rugby players, plus the club battlers trying to get a gig. Far above u20 rugby level.

Guys like Attisogbe, Gazzotti and Louis BB were in those sides. They were Top14 regulars at the time and are test players now.

What you need to understand is that NZ rugby is not like France, basically the complete opposite. AB jerseys are not just handed out like that and there is very little room for u20 as every player in these squads is battling for an AB jersey basically. Super Rugby only has 5 teams, not 14. Sure, you can argue more exposure is better, but season length is not going to do that, you just have to get onboard with how NZ does it. They are the best after all.

NZ used to chuck talented youngsters in at the deep end in SR. Carter, McCaw and quite a few others from the 2011 and 2015 WC winning teams were in SR at 20, 21 and ABs a year later.

You are definitely star struck. I like it, reminds me of playing Championship Manager. It’s no different now, heard of Wallace Sititi, Peter Lakai, Noah Hotham? NZ was one of the youngest squads going around and a good number of 20/21 yo’s coming into SR each year.


You don’t want players under pressure at that age, hence what teams do in those comps I mentioned. NZ definitely takes that to a different level for 17/18 yo, and even younger, but when you hear what happens to them when you don’t, I think that’s the right path.

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