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Ex-All Black fears coaching distraction will derail World Cup campaign

The All Blacks huddle after winning The Rugby Championship match between the New Zealand All Blacks and Argentina Pumas at FMG Stadium Waikato on September 03, 2022 in Hamilton, New Zealand. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Former All Black wing John Kirwan has expressed his doubt over this year’s World Cup campaign as the distraction of the All Blacks coaching job appointment grows larger.

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Speaking on Sky Sport NZ’s The Breakdown, Kirwan called on everyone to get on the same ‘waka’ to avoid a failure in France.

If the players are distracted by who is the next head coach, the All Blacks wouldn’t win the Rugby World Cup he said.

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“I’ve got five questions, I’m going to read them out,” Kirwan told The Breakdown panel.

“What’s the recommendation and who made it? Is it pre-World Cup or post? Who is picking the new coach? Just go and get Wayne Smith to do it.

“Is the decision they are going to make going to effect the players? And the players have already come out and said it is going to be a distraction.

“And if it is a distraction, can we win the World Cup? And my answer is no.”

Kirwan put the onus on incoming NZR board member Dame Patsy Reddy to make sure everyone is aligned with the same goal.

“The last one and the biggest one is, are we actually all on the same waka?” he said.

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“I know Dame Patsy Reddy is coming in and one of her biggest jobs I believe is making sure that we are all on the same waka to win the World Cup.

“Because I just don’t feel we are at the moment.”

Sky Sport commentator Taylah Hodson-Tomokino said that the lack of transparency has ‘fueled the fire’ of media speculation which is currently engulfing all of the Super Rugby franchises ahead of the new season.

“The silence is defeaning to be fair, they are just so quiet on what is happening,” she said.

“There is the processes, what is the process? When are they going to make a decision. All of those questions haven’t been answered.

“Then you are just fueling the fire when it comes to the press. Every single press conference whether it is the Crusaders, Blues, Chiefs, Hurricanes, everyone is asking ‘who do you think is going to have the All Blacks job’.

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“It’s distracting not only for the Crusaders, for Razor, for Fozzy. Give us an answer, what’s the process?”

Ex-All Black Jeff Wilson wanted the right conversations to be had between NZR and all of the coaching candidates who might come forward for the job.

“The most important thing here are the conversations that need to be had,” Wilson said.

“Between New Zealand Rugby, the board of NZR, Ian Foster, and the people who are going to be contenders going forward.

“There is no doubt that Razor is going to be one of those coaches.

“There’s already been talk of Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown. There is another player in the mix here, if he wanted the job, would we look at Joe Schmidt? You’ve still got Jason Ryan in the mix. There is so many conversations.”

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Kirwan believed the risk of losing coaches to offshore jobs was low, therefore that we would not see any coaching changes before the World Cup but called on NZR to do whatever it took to keep Robertson in New Zealand.

“I would say this, we are not doing it pre-World Cup, but we will do it within a month afterwards,” Kirwan said.

“You’ve got great coaches like Razor Robertson, start treating the coaches like you do the players. Pay him enough to stay, so he can’t leave.

“That’s what we do to our top All Blacks. We don’t want to lose him.

“I think the argument of wanting to do it pre-World Cup came from the last World Cup, where the NZR felt like they lost some candidates.

“But there is only one job available at the moment that is sorta up in the air and that’s the Scotland job.

“So I don’t think the risk is out there to lose coaches to other nations.

“If I was Ian Foster I’d just come out and say ‘If I win the World Cup, I’d like to stand again’, wouldn’t you?”

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GrahamVF 19 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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