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Argentina name Rugby World Cup squad with over 1,000 caps

Agustin Creevy of Argentina (3R) and teammates sing the national anthem prior o a Rugby Championship match between Argentina Pumas and South Africa Springboks at Estadio Libertadores de América on September 17, 2022 in Avellaneda, Argentina. (Photo by Daniel Jayo/Getty Images)

Argentina name 33 for Rugby World Cup With 1,433 test caps amongst them, the “well-balanced Puma squad” had a few surprises but no real bombshells when it was announced on Monday.

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Facing the media in a blue suit and a tie-less white shirt, sitting on his own, and using his ever-improving Spanish, Michael Cheika named the 33 players that will, he hopes, take him to a second World Cup final, and, why not, beyond.

“It is a very important day for 33 Argentines,” was his opening remark at the team’s HQ in the Northeast of Buenos Aires.

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“It is the hardest day in a coach’s life but also one of the nicest.”

It was an underwhelming announcement, only the coach and the media. Nothing flashy, no fireworks, no players, simple and business-like. Scrolling down the list and, instantly, names catch the attention.

Winger Juan Imhoff was given a lifeline at 35, having missed the previous Rugby World Cup and Highlanders wing/fullback Martín Bogado, whose first cap last Saturday did not convince, but he is held in high regard and is highly trusted by the coaching staff.

Less surprising was the confirmation that Nicolás Sánchez is in for his fourth Rugby World Cup, selected ahead of promising Tomás Albornoz, who wasn’t given sufficient time on the paddock to prove his worth. His time will come in the next Rugby World Cup cycle.

20-year old Pedro Rubiolo is 18 years younger than Argentina’s first centurion Agustín Creevy, whose ten minutes against the Springboks on Saturday allowed him to reach that figure. Rubiolo, who can play as a loose forward and a lock, earned his call-up from the bench.

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Also 38 is prop Frankie Gómez Kodela, who is a Rugby World Cup debutant. Two Olympic bronze medal winners – scrumhalf Lautaro Bazán Vélez and winger Rodrigo Isgro – will try to further their rugby careers in the larger version of the game, the latter preferred favoured over more experienced players such as Santiago Cordero, who won his 50th cap against the Springboks and Bautista Delguy, a veteran from Japan 2019.

Stronger and a menace on the high ball, “Isgro took the challenge of changing from sevens to fifteens; in his first test he was very busy, was not scared and handled the ball a number of times. This says a lot.” On Saturday he scored a try against Chile for Argentina XV as he was given more time on the field.

“He is a good player, understands his position and he has a huge potential which can develop in a short period of time. We have a month to work with him, as with Bogado.”

Cheika mentioned that he had spoken with four players to inform them they would not be selected, the toughest and longest of conversations being with Matías Orlando, an international since 2012, who lost his place against 22-year old Lucio Cinti, who played every minute of the four 2023 tests at first and later second centre.

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“The larger 33-player squad allowed me to go with three hookers and three scrumhalves. In the backs, it was two flyhalves, four centres and two fullbacks, but many can play in different positions,” he explained.

“In modern rugby, the kicking game is important,” he also highlighted in explaining his decision-making.

When it came to deciding on the two number 10s, Santiago Carreras has been the first choice under Cheika and “Nico (Sánchez) has the experience of three Rugby World Cups.”

Having signed to follow Leonel Messi and take his number 10 shirt to Miami – to play in the MLR’s the Miami Sharks – this will be his swansong.

With 97 caps, the length of Los Pumas’ campaign will probably allow him play his 100th test in France. Another player to move to Miami will be scrumhalf Tomás Cubelli, who hasn’t played this year, and is still not 100% fit.

“We will have a full squad to play against Spain in our last warm-up game, in Madrid,” confirms Cheika. The only player that might need some extra time is Matías Alemanno, who took a heavy knock to his knee against Australia in Sydney.

Back in the frame will be Marcos Kremer, having played no rugby since the end of his European season, when he was suspended for illegally cleaning a ruck. He has been missed. Also missed was Guido Petti, who played his first 50 minutes of any rugby in 2023 on Saturday and showcased the huge talent that will take him to his third Rugby World Cup.

Creevy and Sánchez will play in their fourth tournament, whilst ten players come for their third, including captain Julián Montoya. Six more will be in their second RWC.

“We have a balanced team in terms of experience, with an average age of 28 and a number of players that can play in two or three positions.”

“Our goal is to the reach the top. We don’t want to finish fourth, we want to play in the final on October 28th,” said the coach.

“I have that memory of playing in the final with Australia in 2015 and we have the will to reach even further. We trust the work that we have put in.”

In saying this, the loss against the Springboks two days earlier was tough for the team.

“We work very hard, very detailed and we must be very clear on what we want to do. It is on the details and on getting on to the field not needing to think what we need to do, only to execute.”

“We are not number one in the world so we have to be humble. We will chase our goal and the challenge is to turn it into reality, take confidence in the work we are doing to meet the challenge.”

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England, whose Rugby World Cup squad was also named on Monday, is the first opponent, a few hours after the tournament kicks off in Paris. The game at Marseille on Saturday, September 9th, will be a huge occasion for two teams that have previously met three times in Rugby World Cup, but more importantly, had Argentina as victor when they met at Twickenham last year.

“We are not thinking beyond England. We want the focus to be on that game.”

“Even though our analyst has worked on each of the opponents, we have to think on the first game and then on the next, and then on the next.”

Argentina’s Rugby World Cup squad:

Forwards (18)
Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro **
Francisco Gómez
Kodela Joel Sclavi
Thomas Gallo
Eduardo Bello
Julián Montoya (capitán) **
Agustín Creevy *
Ignacio Ruiz
Matías Alemanno **
Tomás Lavanini **
Guido Petti **
Facundo Isa*
Pablo Matera **
Juan Martín González
Santiago Grondona
Marcos Kremer *
Rodrigo Bruni *
Pedro Rubiolo

Backs (15)
Gonzalo Bertranou *
Tomás Cubelli **
Lautaro Bazán
Vélez Santiago Carreras *
Nicolás Sánchez *
Santiago Chocobares
Lucio Cinti
Jerónimo de la Fuente **
Matías Moroni **
Emiliano Boffelli *
Mateo Carreras
Rodrigo Isgró
Juan Cruz Mallía *
Martín Bogado
Juan Imhoff **

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fl 20 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Would I'd be think"

Would I'd be think.


"Well that's one starting point for an error in your reasoning. Do you think that in regards to who should have a say in how it's setup in the future as well? Ie you would care what they think or what might be more fair for their teams (not saying your model doesn't allow them a chance)?"

Did you even read what you're replying to? I wasn't arguing for excluding south africa, I was pointing out that the idea of quantifying someone's fractional share of european rugby is entirely nonsensical. You're the one who was trying to do that.


"Yes, I was thinking about an automatic qualifier for a tier 2 side"

What proportion of european rugby are they though? Got to make sure those fractions match up! 😂


"Ultimately what I think would be better for t2 leagues would be a third comp underneath the top two tournemnts where they play a fair chunk of games, like double those two. So half a dozen euro teams along with the 2 SA and bottom bunch of premiership and top14, some Championship and div 2 sides thrown in."

I don't know if Championship sides want to be commuting to Georgia every other week.


"my thought was just to create a middle ground now which can sustain it until that time has come, were I thought yours is more likely to result in the constant change/manipulation it has been victim to"

a middle ground between the current system and a much worse system?

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fl 34 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Huh? You mean last in their (4 team) pools/regions? My idea was 6/5/4, 6 the max, for guarenteed spots, with a 20 team comp max, so upto 5 WCs (which you'd make/or would be theoretically impossible to go to one league (they'd likely be solely for its participants, say 'Wales', rather than URC specifically. Preferrably). I gave 3 WC ideas for a 18 team comp, so the max URC could have (with a member union or club/team, winning all of the 6N, and Champions and Challenge Cup) would be 9."


That's a lot of words to say that I was right. If (e.g.) Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.


"And the reason say another URC (for example) member would get the spot over the other team that won the Challenge Cup, would be because they were arguable better if they finished higher in the League."

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.


"It won't diminish desire to win the Challenge Cup, because that team may still be competing for that seed, and if theyre automatic qual anyway, it still might make them treat it more seriously"

This doesn't make sense. Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't. Under my system, teams will "compete for the seed" by winning the Challenge Cup, under yours they won't. If a team is automatically qualified anyway why on earth would that make them treat it more seriously?


"I'm promoting the idea of a scheme that never needs to be changed again"

So am I. I'm suggesting that places could be allocated according to a UEFA style points sytem, or according to a system where each league gets 1/4 of the spots, and the remaining 1/4 go to the best performing teams from the previous season in european competition.


"Yours will promote outcry as soon as England (or any other participant) fluctates. Were as it's hard to argue about a the basis of an equal share."

Currently there is an equal share, and you are arguing against it. My system would give each side the opportunity to achieve an equal share, but with more places given to sides and leagues that perform well. This wouldn't promote outcry, it would promote teams to take european competition more seriously. Teams that lose out because they did poorly the previous year wouldn't have any grounds to complain, they would be incentivised to try harder this time around.


"This new system should not be based on the assumption of last years results/performances continuing."

That's not the assumption I'm making. I don't think the teams that perform better should be given places in the competition because they will be the best performing teams next year, but because sport should be based on merit, and teams should be rewarded for performing well.


"I'm specifically promoting my idea because I think it will do exactly what you want, increase european rugyb's importance."

how?


"I won't say I've done anything compressive"

Compressive.

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JW 38 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Generally disagree with what? The possibility that they would get whitewashed, or the idea they shouldn't gain access until they're good enough?


I think the first is a fairly irrelevant view, decide on the second and then worry about the first. Personally I'd have had them in a third lvl comp with all the bottom dwellers of the leagues. I liked the idea of those league clubs resting their best players, and so being able to lift their standards in the league, though, so not against the idea that T2 sides go straight into Challenge Cup, but that will be a higher level with smaller comps and I think a bit too much for them (not having followed any of their games/performances mind you).

Because I don't think that having the possibility of a team finishing outside the quarter finals to qualify automatically will be a good idea. I'd rather have a team finishing 5th in their domestic league.

fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen.


The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime.

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JW 56 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Well I was mainly referring to my thinking about the split, which was essentially each /3 rounded up, but reliant on WCs to add buffer.


You may have been going for just a 16 team league ranking cup?


But yes, those were just ideas for how to select WCs, all very arbitrary but I think more interesting in ways than just going down a list (say like fl's) of who is next in line. Indeed in my reply to you I hinted at say the 'URC' WC spot actually being given to the Ireland pool and taken away from the Welsh pool.


It's easy to think that is excluding, and making it even harder on, a poor performing country, but this is all in context of a 18 or 20 team comp where URC (at least to those teams in the URC) got 6 places, which Wales has one side lingering around, and you'd expect should make. Imagine the spice in that 6N game with Italy, or any other of the URC members though! Everyone talks about SA joining the 6N, so not sure it will be a problem, but it would be a fairly minor one imo.


But that's a structure of the leagues were instead of thinking how to get in at the top, I started from the bottom and thought that it best those teams doing qualify for anything. Then I thought the two comps should be identical in structure. So that's were an even split comes in with creating numbers, and the 'UEFA' model you suggest using in some manner, I thought could be used for the WC's (5 in my 20 team comp) instead of those ideas of mine you pointed out.


I see Jones has waded in like his normal self when it comes to SH teams. One thing I really like about his idea is the name change to the two competitions, to Cup and Shield. Oh, and home and away matches.

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fl 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Yes I was the one who suggested to use a UEFA style point. And I guessed, that based on the last 5 years we should start with 6 top14, 6 URC and 4 Prem."

Yes I am aware that you suggested it, but you then went on to say that we should initially start with a balance that clearly wasn't derived from that system. I'm not a mind reader, so how was I to work out that you'd arrived at that balance by dint of completely having failed to remember the history of the competition.


"Again, I was the one suggesting that, but you didn't like the outcome of that."

I have no issues with the outcome of that, I had an issue with a completely random allocation of teams that you plucked out of thin air.

Interestingly its you who now seem to be renouncing the UEFA style points system, because you don't like the outcome of reducing URC representation.


"4 teams for Top14, URC and Prem, 3 teams for other leagues and the last winner, what do you think?"

What about 4 each + 4 to the best performing teams in last years competition not to have otherwise qualified? Or what about a UEFA style system where places are allocated to leagues on the basis of their performance in previous years' competitions?

There's no point including Black Lion if they're just going to get whitewashed every year, which I think would be a possibility. At most I'd support 1 team from the Rugby Europe Super Cup, or the Russian Championship being included. Maybe the best placed non-Israeli team and the Russian winners could play off every year for the spot? But honestly I think its best if they stay limited to the Challenge Cup for now.

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