Cheika includes debutants as Argentina legend approaches record

My gut feel is that Joe Schmidt won't carry on through to the next RWC. He is at the stage, and age, in his life , that a further two years in a very high pressure coaching job would not be a good thing for either himself or his family. The fact that he remains based in Taupo seems a significant pointer, I would have thought. I believe he has a round trip of 12 hrs driving just to get on a plane to Australia.

Amongst the many good things Joe Schmidt has achieved to this point is that the WB's are now a more enticing prospect to coach going forward.

Tbh, the only Australian coach I would see stepping up and developing the WB's further would be Les Kiss. He has far more in his CV than any other Australian. He now has 23 years of coaching Union,starting with a defence role with the Boks, then back to Australia with the Waratahs. Overseas again for nine years in Ireland, which included 5 years as defence coach with the national team, during which he was interim head coach for two games, both wins. His last years in Ireland were with Ulster, even then a team beginning a decline. So that spell was his least successful. Finally the spell with London Irish, where I felt Kiss was doing very well, till the club collapsed financially.

Of the other Australian options, Dan McKellar has a lot to prove post the year with Leicester. Stephen Larkham has not, in my view, yet shown outstanding qualities as a coach. Nether man has anything close to Kiss's experience. Some may see this as being harsh on both men, ignoring good work they have done. But is how I see it.

Looking outside Australia, I would see Vern Cotter as a strong possibility, if interested. His time with Scotland was outstanding. Ronan O'Gara, I would think, might well be another possibility, though he has no international experience. Jake White ? Maybe .

Oh wait, discarded kiwi coaches in Australia have been exactly the same ever since .....

Stockholm Syndrome much ?

Which meant if Razor was to gain any benefit, which is the point of this discussion, he'd have needed to find value in players like Tupaea, Christie, Sotutu, Clarke, Lord, RTS, Bower, Ross, that hadn't immediately gone on to prove they belong.

Of course it was too long ago for a lot of those players to be of benefit to Razor.

They have it right atm with the quality of Joe's coaching and a bloke who clearly cares about infrastructure [Peter Horne] working alongside him.

But for John, one is a Kiwi and the other a Tah, and all thinking process stops right there.

It's a huge shame but it disables Aussie rugby as a whole if too many ppl share the same attitude.