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'Atrocious... the players are all carbon copy versions of Borthwick'

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George Robson has criticised the England approach heading into the Rugby World Cup, claiming that too much time has been dedicated to fitness and not enough emphasis placed on skills. Steve Borthwick’s side were comfortably beaten 9-20 last weekend in Cardiff in their Summer Nations Series opener, failing to score in the second half after leading 9-6 at the interval.

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They have since named their squad of 33 for next month’s RWC campaign in France and have also announced a warm-up XV to take on Wales this Saturday in London that has 11 changes from last weekend.

Head coach Borthwick has claimed that England would be sharper in the coming weeks, that heavy strength and conditioning blocks had left them inaccurate with the ball in their warm-up opener, but ex-Premiership title winner Robson isn’t convinced.

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Asked what he had heard from inside the England camp about morale, the former Harlequins forward said: “Whenever there is a social media post from England it is someone on a Wattbike or in the gym or sprinting.

“There has been a big emphasis on the fitness side of things but no real cohesion from what they are doing from a game plan perspective and the skills side of things. It was evident at Cardiff; England went into the game fatigued.

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“To me that would suggest more time should have been spent on working on combinations you are going to use on skill levels rather than beasting for the sake of beasting. How useful is it catching a rugby ball at full pace when you are on a Wattbike?

“To have 17 handling errors was atrocious by any measure. It certainly didn’t look like they had played much together. To me, those handling errors looked like a symptom of fatigue coupled with not having played much together.

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“I felt sorry for that team which lost in Cardiff. It was like an old-school Probables vs Possibles game when they had already been told who was on the plane and who wasn’t. It didn’t give you much to be excited about as an England supporter because it was an atrocious 80 minutes of rugby. That is a serious problem.

“I have never seen so many players with their hands on their knees. The players are all carbon copy versions of Borthwick – lean low body fat, same shape. They all look the same. Whoever is responsible for timing that fitness into a game got it badly wrong because there is no way you can put players into a game like that so poorly prepared and off the pace.

“They were totally outclassed from a fitness-for-rugby perspective. They might have got amazing Wattbike scores and they have all been doing brilliant sessions together to build a shared unity. But does that make them fit for rugby? No. If you’re timing it and you don’t care then Saturday was collateral damage, and it was always going to happen.”

Borthwick has claimed that he has never seen the back-in-favour Billy Vunipola looking so fit. He was overlooked for the whole of the Guinness Six Nations but is now the only No8 in the squad after Alex Dombrandt was cut despite having started in that position in all six of the matches England had played in 2023.

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Vunipola has been selected to start in that Saturday’s warm-up rematch with Wales, but Robson has his concerns. “Billy looks lean and light. They need to get a few more kgs on him,” he warned.

“There is nothing new to get excited by. He [Borthwick] is picking a squad solely on the basis of who is going to get us over the gain line. The key thing at the World Cup is being able to get forward and play on the front foot. Defences are so well organised now, everyone is big and powerful. There aren’t that many holes.

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“You need to go forward and have ball carriers. That explains Billy Vunipola, I’d imagine Courtney Lawes is being wrapped up in cotton wool [Lawes isn’t as he is also starting this weekend’s game]. They are also reliant on Manu Tuilagi and it explains Ollie Lawrence too over the more nuanced Henry Slade.

“International level is far less forgiving. That explains his approach to selection. He has picked virtually every strong ball carrier there is in the club game. We haven’t got the monsters that France and South Africa have.

“We don’t have someone like Andre Esterhuizen at Harlequins, who is in the South Africa squad. You need someone like that to get you over the gain line. He is built like a second row and can run full tilt. There is no one I can think of like him in the English club game which explains why he has gone back to the likes of Vunipola.

“Relying on two players in Vunipola and Tuilagi, who are so often injured, there is a causal link there as to why they are so injured. They are explosive players and there aren’t that many in England and injury goes with the territory. They are subjected to more collisions, and they are heavily relied upon.”

Robson was also at a loss over the RWC squad exclusion of Sam Underhill, one of the stars of the 2019 England team that reached the World Cup final. “I don’t know why Johnny Hill is not in the squad, he has played well for Sale this season. Others will be feeling hard done by like Sam Underhill.

“I’m flabbergasted that Sam isn’t there. I really can’t understand what goes on there. He is an outstanding player. It seems so odd he’s fallen out of favour but no one explains why.

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“They have gone with players they feel comfortable with, which explains the large number of Leicester and Saracens players. It appears there is some bias because they know those players and who seem to have credit in the bank, despite their performances or injury record.

“It’s ironic that they have reverted almost to Eddie Jones’ side from 2019. There are 12 players from that World Cup final, but that experience could hold them in good stead.

“It’s not all doom and gloom but this is a frustrating time to be an England supporter. They have not fired any shots, the leadership and management are deliberately not saying anything other than the blandest possible. It’s pretty much a phony war, digging in until the real games start.”

Mention the lack of an explanation for the absence of Underhill, what does Robson make of Borthwick’s stoic approach in front of the media? “The way he engages with the media is a necessary evil for him. He has decided to look at risk reward. He is very analytical, looks at the data, and has probably thought there is no one who has been able to manage the press really well.

“Borthwick has probably looked at it all, seen it ended in tears pretty much for everyone [the former England coaches] and decided not to bother and focus simply on what he can control. It is one of the hardest roles in sports with the constant criticism. It is damage control every time he faces the press.”

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Sumkunn Tsadmiova 464 days ago

So George Robson sees fit to comment on an England squad hoping to reach the RWC Final yet again (England have played in more RWC finals this century than any other nation). Perhaps if he'd concentrated a bit more on "...a big emphasis on the fitness side of things..." he might have increased his grand total of international caps. From its current zero..

As my good friend and fellow Bulgarian prop Ndukanfa Kraitov says: What a windbag..

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Daniel 464 days ago

Wow, what a glass half empty article. I couldn't comment on what they have been doing in camp, because I haven't been there. All I know is the bloke doing the conditioning has already won a world cup, so he probably knows what he's doing.

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Ian 464 days ago

I've turned down free, yes free tickets to go and watch England play this weekend... (And the wife's away too)
They're just not cutting it at the moment. All our best players seen to have got old together and no one has come through to replace them.
We'll probably get through to the semi finals purely on the draw being so favourable.
What a waste of 4 years!

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Kenward K. 465 days ago

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Al 465 days ago

So true. Too many old and injured players, for sure. England will probably play better against the Wales B team on Saturday, because they can hardly play worse, but still lose, hands-on-hips, out-of-breath. And after they lose to Ireland the following week, and Borthwick says they're still learning, and then they finally get a one point win against Fiji, we've got to be asking wouldn't it be better to fire Borthwick and just let the players coach themselves?

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Mark 465 days ago

I'm afraid I totally agree.
There has been far to much emphasis placed upon gym data, at the expense of rugby skills.
As the old boxing saying goes, " Anybody can be the toughest guy on the bag".
Did Gareth Edwards, or Serge blanco or David campese post the best gym scores?.
No they simply got their head out of there arse, looked up & played what was In front of them!!.

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JW 1 hour ago
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Yeah nar I pretty much agree with that sentiment, wasn't just about the lineout though.


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Obviously a long way off but USA and Japan are the obvious two. First thing we need to do is get Eddie Jones kicked out of Japan so they can start improving again and then get a couple of US teams in SRP (even if one its just a US based and augmented Jaguares).


It will start off the whole conferences are crap debate again (which I will continue to argue vehemently against), but imagine a 6 team Pacific conference, Tokyo Sunwolves (drafted from Tokyo JRLO teams), Tokyo All Stars (made up of best remaining foreign players and overseas drafts), ALL Nihon (best of local non Tokyo based talent, inc China/Korea etc, with mainland Japan), a could of West Coast american franchises and perhaps a second self PI driven Hawai'i based team, or Jagaures. So I see a short NFL like 3 or 4 month comp as fitting best, maybe not even a full round, NZvAUSvPAC, all games taking place within a 6hr window. Model for NZ will definitely still require a competitive and funded NPC!


On the Crusaders, I liked last years ending with Grace on the bench (ovbiously form dependent but thats how it ended) and Lio-Willie at 8. I could have Blackadder trying to be a 7 but think balance will be used with him at 6 and Kellow as 7. Scott Barrett is an international 6 sized player. It is just NZ style/model that pushes him into the tight, I reckon he'd be a great loose player, and saders have Strange and Cahill as bigger players (plus that change could draw someone like Darry back). Same with Haig now, hes not grown yet but Barrett hight and been playing 6, now that the Highlanders have only chosen two locks he'll be playing lock, and that is going to change his growth trajectory massively, rather than seeing him grow like an International 6.

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Tom 1 hour ago
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Interesting post. I realise that try was down to Marcus Smith not Slade, this is why I mentioned that England's attack is completely reliant on Smith working miracles. Just wanted to highlight that Slade's little touch was classy and most English players would have cocked it up. Earl has gas, he's very athletic but Underhill is nailed on at 7 in my eyes though. They both need to be on the pitch so we need a tall 6 or 8 to complement them which we have in CCS and potentially Ollie Chessum. We also have young Henry Pollock who may be the 7 by the world cup.


The whole attack needs an overhaul but Richard Wigglesworth our attack coach was a very limited scrum half who excelled at box kicking and had no running game. Spent most of his career with Saracens who mauled, defended and set pieced their way to victory.... Which might have been ok if Felix Jones hadn't quit and been replaced by a guy who coaches Oyonnax who have one of the worst defences in the French 2nd division. I'm not too emotionally invested in England right now because this coaching setup isn't capable of winning anything.


England had no attack when they were winning under Eddie either. They battered teams with huge dominant tackles and won from pressure. The last time England had any creativity in attack was the Stuart Lancaster/Mike Catt era. They played some fantastic attacking rugby but results were mediocre, lots of 2nd place finishes in the 6N although it felt like we were building something special until we got brutally dumped out of our home world cup in the pool stage.

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JW 2 hours ago
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As has been the way all year, and for all England's play I can remember. I missed a lot of the better years under Eddie though.


Lets have a look at the LQB for the last few games... 41% under 3 sec compared to 56% last week, 47% in the game you felt England best in against NZ, and 56 against Ireland.


That was my impression as well. Dunno if that is a lack of good counterattack ball from the D, forward dominance (Post Contact Meters stats reversed yesterday compared to that fast Ireland game), or some Borthwick scheme, but I think that has been highlighted as Englands best point of difference this year with their attack, more particularly how they target using it in certain areas. So depending on how you look at it, not necessarily the individual players.


You seem to be falling into the same trap as NZs supporters when it comes to Damien McKenzie. That play you highlight Slade in wasn't one of those LQB situations from memory, that was all on the brilliance of Smith. Sure, Slade did his job in that situation, but Smith far exceeded his (though I understand it was a move Sleightholme was calling for). But yeah, it's not always going to be on a platter from your 10 and NZ have been missing that Slade line, in your example, more often than not too. When you go back to Furbank and Feyi-Waboso returns you'll have that threat again. Just need to generate that ball, wait for some of these next Gen forwards to come through etc, the props and injured 6 coming back to the bench. I don't think you can put Earl back to 7, unless he spends the next two years speeding up (which might be good for him because he's getting beat by speed like he's not used to not having his own speed to react anymore).

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