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Bafana Nhleko: 'South Africa fans have every right to be upset'

South Africa's Asad Moos and Liam Koen during the loss to England (Photo by Ashley Vlotman/Gallo Images via Getty Images)

Bafana Nhleko has issued a conciliatory message to Junior Boks fans, admitting they have every right to be upset after South Africa failed to advance to the semi-finals of the World Rugby U20 Championship for the first time since 2011. His team not only needed to beat England in the puddles of Athlone but they also had to win by a margin wide enough so that the match points divvy would be five to the hosts and zero to the visitors.

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That would have pulled them level with the English on 10 points and with Argentina also on the same number following their 52-12 dismissal of Fiji, top spot in the pool would have been awarded to the team with the best points difference in the three-way tie.

In the end, these mathematics weren’t needed as the Junior Boks lost 12-17 to an 86th-minute England try, which left them finishing third in the pool and eighth overall in the ranking heading into match day four where they must now play Argentina against in a fifth to eighth place semi-final.

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“They have got a right to be upset,” suggested Nhleko when asked by RugbyPass if he had a message for South African fans annoyed that their team hasn’t got the desired results, losing to England after a 12-31 hammering by the Argentinians last Thursday in Stellenbosch.

“The Springbok jersey is a proud jersey and we have been in the semi-final for the last 10 years, something like that. Very disappointing and none more so disappointed than us as a group in not being able to perform on our home soil. As I keep saying, the boys aren’t going to stop trying. We are hoping that we can finish the tournament in a good light together. Something small to smile about, a consolation.”

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When he spoke he had just come back down the dressing room tunnel after fronting a media briefing where the South African media probed him for answers regarding their failure. “Good questions I guess about the programme and where we are, and I keep stressing the fact there are lots of good players in this group and I am hoping these two games don’t define them as people going forward,” he insisted.

“The biggest thing for us is to make sure we finish the tournament on a good note. These boys are really good players. It just hasn’t gone our way., Partly our own fault and partly just, you know, that is how sport goes sometimes. But the important thing is we have two more games, we’ll stick to the process and make sure we get back on our game and hopefully finish as high as we can.

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“We believe in that, it [developing players] has always been the mantra. We want to win. It would be nice to be playing in a semi-final and a final but we also understand that there is a bigger picture to this. The bigger picture is making sure that some of these boys that are sitting here now in a year or two’s time are part of senior groups and hopefully some of the hurt they feel now will fuel them to go on to do greater things.”

Losing the way they did to England in a final play that took six minutes to complete due to repeated infringements near their own try line hurt. “Cruel but that’s sport and that is what makes it entertaining, the fact that a team can score right at the end to win the game,” continued the South African coach.

“That being said, very tough game. Conditions were quite tough but both sides came out to play. It was quite impressive that. I thought our boys’ effort in bouncing back after the Argentina game was really selfless. Sad about the result but super proud of the boys’ effort.

“We were in a dark place after Argentina just because it wasn’t so much the scoreboard, the performance wasn’t really good and then today we showed a good fight.”

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What about the opportunity of getting back at Argentina and showing there genuinely isn’t as wide a gulf as suggested by the 19-point margin of defeat on match day two?

“We won’t have to do much analysis, we know what is coming. The same applies for them. We will have to get up for it. The bodies are sore. We will give the boys a day or two off and then get back into how we are going to play against them.”

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CraigD 159 days ago

Rugby is a sport about cohesion playing together getting to know each other’s game and communicate moves.
The reason why we guys are upset as we know schools like Grey college and Paul Roos would beat that u20 side

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John 159 days ago

Amazing how ppl jump to the quota system to blame? which outstanding white players would’ve led the baby boks to victory?

What I saw was bad lineouts (particularly vs ARG), sloppy ball protection in carries and slow reaction times on defense - on balance it was more white than black in the clips

Playing in the wet is a different beast but it’s something you can try train in/train for

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Craig 160 days ago

Get rid of the quota system, when junior Rugby sides are chosen on merit alone then we we will see a bump in standards. I was horrified at the standard of quota players at the Grant Khomo level this year, it was frightening. I'm not talking about the coloured kids coming through the system I'm specifically referring to the black kids… they are not up to the same standard. Either this was a failure at time of selection or something went wrong with the rugby academy programmes. The Quota system is NOT working.

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CraigD 160 days ago

Guys don’t worry as SA have really been unlucky with crazy weather again.
Coaching is tough in wet.
We like playing on hard grounds and fast pace.

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Pieter 160 days ago

This is what happens when you have quotas and don’t choose the best players.

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SteveD 160 days ago

Like in the RWC, SA teams just don't get enough experience playing in the wet, unlike the European teams - and NZ too - who do. But that's rugby.

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Jacque 161 days ago

With a Flyhalf like Koen- what did you expect??

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Turlough 161 days ago

The performance against Argentina was the problem. England are the best side in the tournament and definitely the most mature on the tournament regarding adapting to particular matches. SA started well at 7-0 up were attacking. England are just very very good and relentless. The fact that England got the result will be huge for them. Intriguing SF match against Ireland coming up. NZ may not be too happy seeing France again so soon.

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fl 45 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen."


That's not quite my idea.

For a 20 team champions cup I'd have 4 teams qualify from the previous years champions cup, and 4 from the previous years challenge cup. For a 16 team champions cup I'd have 3 teams qualify from the previous years champions cup, and 1 from the previous years challenge cup.


"The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime."

If teams get a tough draw in the challenge cup quarters, they should have won more pool games and so got better seeding. My system is less about finding the best teams, and more about finding the teams who perform at the highest level in european competition.

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fl 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Would I'd be think"

Would I'd be think.


"Well that's one starting point for an error in your reasoning. Do you think that in regards to who should have a say in how it's setup in the future as well? Ie you would care what they think or what might be more fair for their teams (not saying your model doesn't allow them a chance)?"

Did you even read what you're replying to? I wasn't arguing for excluding south africa, I was pointing out that the idea of quantifying someone's fractional share of european rugby is entirely nonsensical. You're the one who was trying to do that.


"Yes, I was thinking about an automatic qualifier for a tier 2 side"

What proportion of european rugby are they though? Got to make sure those fractions match up! 😂


"Ultimately what I think would be better for t2 leagues would be a third comp underneath the top two tournemnts where they play a fair chunk of games, like double those two. So half a dozen euro teams along with the 2 SA and bottom bunch of premiership and top14, some Championship and div 2 sides thrown in."

I don't know if Championship sides want to be commuting to Georgia every other week.


"my thought was just to create a middle ground now which can sustain it until that time has come, were I thought yours is more likely to result in the constant change/manipulation it has been victim to"

a middle ground between the current system and a much worse system?

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fl 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Huh? You mean last in their (4 team) pools/regions? My idea was 6/5/4, 6 the max, for guarenteed spots, with a 20 team comp max, so upto 5 WCs (which you'd make/or would be theoretically impossible to go to one league (they'd likely be solely for its participants, say 'Wales', rather than URC specifically. Preferrably). I gave 3 WC ideas for a 18 team comp, so the max URC could have (with a member union or club/team, winning all of the 6N, and Champions and Challenge Cup) would be 9."


That's a lot of words to say that I was right. If (e.g.) Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.


"And the reason say another URC (for example) member would get the spot over the other team that won the Challenge Cup, would be because they were arguable better if they finished higher in the League."

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.


"It won't diminish desire to win the Challenge Cup, because that team may still be competing for that seed, and if theyre automatic qual anyway, it still might make them treat it more seriously"

This doesn't make sense. Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't. Under my system, teams will "compete for the seed" by winning the Challenge Cup, under yours they won't. If a team is automatically qualified anyway why on earth would that make them treat it more seriously?


"I'm promoting the idea of a scheme that never needs to be changed again"

So am I. I'm suggesting that places could be allocated according to a UEFA style points sytem, or according to a system where each league gets 1/4 of the spots, and the remaining 1/4 go to the best performing teams from the previous season in european competition.


"Yours will promote outcry as soon as England (or any other participant) fluctates. Were as it's hard to argue about a the basis of an equal share."

Currently there is an equal share, and you are arguing against it. My system would give each side the opportunity to achieve an equal share, but with more places given to sides and leagues that perform well. This wouldn't promote outcry, it would promote teams to take european competition more seriously. Teams that lose out because they did poorly the previous year wouldn't have any grounds to complain, they would be incentivised to try harder this time around.


"This new system should not be based on the assumption of last years results/performances continuing."

That's not the assumption I'm making. I don't think the teams that perform better should be given places in the competition because they will be the best performing teams next year, but because sport should be based on merit, and teams should be rewarded for performing well.


"I'm specifically promoting my idea because I think it will do exactly what you want, increase european rugyb's importance."

how?


"I won't say I've done anything compressive"

Compressive.

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