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Bath player ratings vs Leinster | Champions Cup

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BATH PLAYER RATINGS: Of all the venues to dispatch struggling Bath to on their opening European assignment of the season, Aviva Stadium in Dublin always had the makings of a belated Halloween nightmare rather than a Christmas fairy tale. So it proved, Stuart Hooper’s side adding to their nine-match losing streak from the Gallagher Premiership by keeping the L sequence intact with a 45-20 trouncing at the hands of Leinster. 

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To give them a sliver of credit, they didn’t throw their wooly hat at this Everest-like challenge pre-game, making just the four changes to their starting XV after having 40 points put on them last weekend at Northampton in their latest league setback. 

Wholesale changes would have indicated they weren’t interested but in bringing a team that still included the likes of Ben Spencer, Will Stuart and Charlie Ewels across the Irish Sea, the impression was that they would try and give this a decent rattle despite the level of inexperience evident in having youngsters such as Orlando Bailey, Will Butt and others in the thick of it.   

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The long-shot hope was that Bath wouldn’t be further English fodder in Europe, as happened when Racing ripped asunder Northampton on Friday night, and while they did take an early 3-0 lead, that advantage lasted only seconds as they were swiftly blown away by an opposition that very much has designs on going all the way and lifting the trophy in Marseille in late May.  

Seven tries to two was the eventual outcome on a bruising Champions Cup day where the Bath player ratings made difficult reading for those involved:  

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15. TOM DE GLANVILLE – 5
Just the second Champions Cup outing for the son of ex-England skipper Phil and there was much for him to take in given Leinster’s all-court attack and the composed manner in which opposite number Hugo Keenan played the full-back role. New short-term signing Tom Prydie replaced him on 67 minutes. 

14. SEMESA ROKODUGUNI – 5 
A Rolls-Royce type player who loves beating defenders, there wasn’t a crumb for him to work with during an outing where tackling and trying to shut the broken door was the priority. Achieved that task for the most part until he was unable to hold up the second-half scoring Josh van der Flier in the corner.  

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13. WILL BUTT – 4
The rookie looked hapless as Leinster broke for their first try just five minutes in and his efforts didn’t get spectacularly better after that which was no shame given the calibre of the opponent he has to face. Lessons will surely be well learned. 

12. MAX OJOMOH – 4
Another with ex-England team lineage, the son of Steve, but he was another whose inexperience at this level unfortunately got shown up. Similar to Butt, this will go down as a lesson he will take so much from.   

11. WILL MUIR – 4
A Gallagher Premiership newcomer just last weekend, his fragility was witnessed in the defence for the fourth Leinster try when he stepped left rather than holding his position, allowing Keenan a straight run to the try line. Was then beaten by Jordan Larmour on a kick-chase and needed the TMO to rule no try. Stuck around for 71 minutes until the consolation try-scoring Gabe Hamer-Webb was introduced.      

10. ORLANDO BAILEY – 6 
Chosen instead of Danny Cipriani, the youngster endured a day at school here as opposite number Ross Byrne had an armchair ride compared to Bailey’s difficult excursion behind a back-peddling pack and a defence at sixes and sevens. Kicked his first two penalties but then missed a third before Leinster raced clear on the first-half scoreboard. can only benefit from the experience of playing in front of a crowd of 25,400 in such testing circumstances,   

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9. BEN SPENCER – 5
One of the injured players most missed by Bath this term, he had been lively in recent weeks on his return but that much-needed energy wasn’t influential here in a game where scrum-half counterpart Jamison Gibson-Park continued where he left off with Ireland against the All Blacks last month. Bath needed some trademark Spencer sniping to help swing momentum but there was no room for him to manoeuvre up against a monster Leinster back row. Sub Joe Simpson was given the last 13 minutes in his place.

1. LEWIS BOYCE – 6
Carried well for some hard-won metres, he was also a busy tackler but his presence was relatively immaterial. Another who lasted 67 minutes before Arthur Cordwell was introduced. 

2. JACQUES DU TOIT – 5
The South African got the selection jump on Tom Dunn for this fixture and while he can’t take satisfaction by how his pack was torn apart to trail 31-6 just 29 wounding minutes in as he had too many missed tackles himself, he at least went on to enjoy the good moment that was scoring off a pre-interval lineout move down the short side. Replaced by Tom Dunn at the break, who quickly demonstrated heft when helping to win an early second-half scrum penalty only for the resulting lineout to go astray.  

3. WILL STUART – 6
Featured for England off the bench versus Tonga last month, but he conceded the game’s first scrum penalty at a time when the early momentum decisively swung Leinster’s way. There were some scrum penalties won back later by his front row but he gave way on the hour to D’Arcy Rae.

4. JOSH McNALLY – 4
Capped by England for the first time in the summer, the 30-something lock was included ahead of Mike Williams but he departed likely wishing he wasn’t as the engine room grunt badly needed by his struggling forwards didn’t materialise. Gave way on 52 minutes for Will Spencer. 

5. CHARLIE EWELS – 5
Had a terrible last day in Dublin when part of the England team that was dismantled by Ireland in the Six Nations last March and that misery continued here with his pack under the pump and short of answers in how to cope with the Leinster dominance.  

6. TOM ELLIS – 6
Another forward whose resistance was swamped amid the general malaise that was a back on the back foot and struggling to catch its breath.

7. RICHARD DE CARPENTIER – 5
A first Champions Cup start and appearance for Bath, he had the onerous task of trying to ensure the breakdown nuisance of Sam Underhill wasn’t missed. It was, savagely so. The flanker’s lowlight was leaving his team a man short with his 24th-minute yellow card for collapsing a maul, an absence accompanied by twelve more Leinster points. Was then given a major sit-down by the carrying Andrew Porter early in the second half.

8. JOSH BAYLISS – 5
The recently capped new Scotland international could only do so much fight a cause that was lost far too early but he can at least grasp the straw that was providing du Toit with the assist for the hooker’s try on 38 minutes. His more generally difficult outing was summed up when getting isolated on the penalised second-half carry that gave Leinster back the possession for their sixth try. Exited on 60 minutes for Ewan Richards.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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