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Ex-All Blacks on whether Beauden Barrett should be the starting first five

Beauden Barrett of the New Zealand All Blacks kicks the ball during the International Test Match between New Zealand All Blacks and England at Eden Park on July 13, 2024 in Auckland, New Zealand. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Beauden Barrett took to Eden Park with a vintage performance reminiscent of his days as back-to-back World Player of the Year in the All Blacks 24-17 win over England.

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The “supersub” came on and changed the game with a dynamic showing in the final half hour, setting up the match-winning try to Mark Tele’a and bringing all of his experience to the table.

After such an impressive showing, the question has been asked whether Barrett should be starting and more specifically, back in the No 10 jersey where he played when he won his individual accolades.

Ex-All Black Sir John Kirwan wasn’t sold on Damian McKenzie’s complete performance at first five but was reluctant to move Beauden back into the role given what history has shown.

“He came on last night, there’s a couple of things to take into consideration,” Kirwan told Sky Sport’s The Breakdown.

“Impact players come off the bench, and opposition players are tired. And he was outstanding.

“This guy is world class, he’s done that in 2015, but let’s get back to the first five discussion. Beauden hasn’t played there for a few years, he’s been our fullback.

“It took Daniel Carter a loss in 2007, an injury in 2011, Mo’unga who has been amazing, it took him a couple of years to really take the team and go it’s mine, and we nearly won a World Cup.

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“You can’t just go ‘that’s it’ after two Test matches. Does he [McKenzie] need to improve his kicking game? Yes he’ll know that. Does he need to use his voice a bit more? They’ll know that, I don’t know what it was like on the sideline.

“But if we are going to commit to someone for the next three years, you’ve got to stick with him.

“It’s the only position in the world I believe where you need to do that. Like the quarterback in the NFL, they’ve got to have complete trust. You feel when you are not trusted.

“His first two Test matches haven’t been what we’ve expected and that’s mainly around his kicking game.”

Former All Black wing Jeff Wilson defended McKenzie’s performance highlighting that the No 10 was involved in the big plays in the game.

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Mark Tele'a
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He sparked the first two line breaks in the first half where tries went begging for the All Blacks on the last pass, and he was the one who put Barrett through the gap on the defining try to Mark Tele’a.

“He’s played just seven Test matches as a starting No 10, so he hasn’t been given the keys to the car yet,” Wilson said of McKenzie.

“He’s been given the opportunity to control the All Blacks, last year when he got his opportunity he was very, very good.

“So I think we’ve got to understand he’s a special talent. I would do this, and I think Beauden Barrett will start at fullback.

“There were some critical plays in this game that Damian McKenzie did very well. He was that last pass there [on the second Tele’a try], the pass to Beauden Barrett to put him into a hole.

“To suggest he’s not ready to run this team… I think he is [ready]. He was doing it with an inexperienced fullback and a player who sat in behind Aaron Smith for a long time in Finlay Christie.

“He needs the benefit of time.”

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Shayne 156 days ago

DMac is a good player, to be a All Black 10 you have to be great player and he ain't that just like Reiko it just doesn't work .

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Nickers 156 days ago

DMac has been phenomenal in the first 2 games. (Goal kicking in game 1 aside) Absolute superstar playing very well against one of the best defences in the world. With better service from Ratima, and Roigard to return to create a whole new threat DMac will just get better and better. BB at 15 in the backfield instead of him totally freed up his offensive game. He went to a whole new level. He was outstanding in the games he was called in for last year. Calls for anyone else to play there are treasonous at this point!

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Andrew 156 days ago

Without the pedestrian passing of TJ and Christie, DMac will shine.

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Bull Shark 156 days ago

BB’s form in both games against England is hard to ignore.

I’d start him at 15 at the very least. He helps control the game from the back. And steps in at 1st receiver well when he does. Much like Willie Le Roux does for the boks.

Until Mo’unga comes back, then I’d play DMac at 15.

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Billy 156 days ago

Think of RWC ‘27. BBB is what, 33 and will be 36 then. DMac has to get time in the saddle to prepare for that … no point playing BBB when you are not sure whether he’ll be up for it come the World Cup but will probably be as a supersub … There’s a lot of talk about Richie coming back.

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Easy_Duzz-it 157 days ago

he’s always been a super sub .

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JW 54 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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