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Ex-All Blacks on whether Beauden Barrett should be the starting first five

Beauden Barrett of the New Zealand All Blacks kicks the ball during the International Test Match between New Zealand All Blacks and England at Eden Park on July 13, 2024 in Auckland, New Zealand. (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Beauden Barrett took to Eden Park with a vintage performance reminiscent of his days as back-to-back World Player of the Year in the All Blacks 24-17 win over England.

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The “supersub” came on and changed the game with a dynamic showing in the final half hour, setting up the match-winning try to Mark Tele’a and bringing all of his experience to the table.

After such an impressive showing, the question has been asked whether Barrett should be starting and more specifically, back in the No 10 jersey where he played when he won his individual accolades.

Ex-All Black Sir John Kirwan wasn’t sold on Damian McKenzie’s complete performance at first five but was reluctant to move Beauden back into the role given what history has shown.

“He came on last night, there’s a couple of things to take into consideration,” Kirwan told Sky Sport’s The Breakdown.

“Impact players come off the bench, and opposition players are tired. And he was outstanding.

“This guy is world class, he’s done that in 2015, but let’s get back to the first five discussion. Beauden hasn’t played there for a few years, he’s been our fullback.

“It took Daniel Carter a loss in 2007, an injury in 2011, Mo’unga who has been amazing, it took him a couple of years to really take the team and go it’s mine, and we nearly won a World Cup.

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“You can’t just go ‘that’s it’ after two Test matches. Does he [McKenzie] need to improve his kicking game? Yes he’ll know that. Does he need to use his voice a bit more? They’ll know that, I don’t know what it was like on the sideline.

“But if we are going to commit to someone for the next three years, you’ve got to stick with him.

“It’s the only position in the world I believe where you need to do that. Like the quarterback in the NFL, they’ve got to have complete trust. You feel when you are not trusted.

“His first two Test matches haven’t been what we’ve expected and that’s mainly around his kicking game.”

Former All Black wing Jeff Wilson defended McKenzie’s performance highlighting that the No 10 was involved in the big plays in the game.

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He sparked the first two line breaks in the first half where tries went begging for the All Blacks on the last pass, and he was the one who put Barrett through the gap on the defining try to Mark Tele’a.

“He’s played just seven Test matches as a starting No 10, so he hasn’t been given the keys to the car yet,” Wilson said of McKenzie.

“He’s been given the opportunity to control the All Blacks, last year when he got his opportunity he was very, very good.

“So I think we’ve got to understand he’s a special talent. I would do this, and I think Beauden Barrett will start at fullback.

“There were some critical plays in this game that Damian McKenzie did very well. He was that last pass there [on the second Tele’a try], the pass to Beauden Barrett to put him into a hole.

“To suggest he’s not ready to run this team… I think he is [ready]. He was doing it with an inexperienced fullback and a player who sat in behind Aaron Smith for a long time in Finlay Christie.

“He needs the benefit of time.”

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Shayne 125 days ago

DMac is a good player, to be a All Black 10 you have to be great player and he ain't that just like Reiko it just doesn't work .

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Nickers 125 days ago

DMac has been phenomenal in the first 2 games. (Goal kicking in game 1 aside) Absolute superstar playing very well against one of the best defences in the world. With better service from Ratima, and Roigard to return to create a whole new threat DMac will just get better and better. BB at 15 in the backfield instead of him totally freed up his offensive game. He went to a whole new level. He was outstanding in the games he was called in for last year. Calls for anyone else to play there are treasonous at this point!

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Andrew 126 days ago

Without the pedestrian passing of TJ and Christie, DMac will shine.

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Bull Shark 126 days ago

BB’s form in both games against England is hard to ignore.

I’d start him at 15 at the very least. He helps control the game from the back. And steps in at 1st receiver well when he does. Much like Willie Le Roux does for the boks.

Until Mo’unga comes back, then I’d play DMac at 15.

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Billy 126 days ago

Think of RWC ‘27. BBB is what, 33 and will be 36 then. DMac has to get time in the saddle to prepare for that … no point playing BBB when you are not sure whether he’ll be up for it come the World Cup but will probably be as a supersub … There’s a lot of talk about Richie coming back.

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Easy_Duzz-it 126 days ago

he’s always been a super sub .

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JW 2 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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