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Billy Burns poised to stay on in Ireland after Ulster exit – report

Ulster's Billy Burns (Photo by Matt Impey/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

URC champions Munster are reportedly set to sign Billy Burns from Ulster to offset the impending loss of Joey Carbery to France in 2024/25. The Irish province have had issues at out-half in recent times following what was initially a logjam in the position.

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It was 2021 when JJ Hanrahan, who is now at Connacht, exited for Clermont and the year after when Jake Flannery, another former Ireland U20s No10, felt his career was best served by switching to Ulster.

Ben Healy also departed, joining Edinburgh this season after he made the breakthrough at international level with Scotland, and the decision by Carbery to join Bordeaux next term in the Top 14 has left Munster looking decidedly thin on resources, especially Jack Crowley set to become more involved with Andy Farrell’s Ireland in the wake of Johnny Sexton’s retirement.

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Rather than seek out a solution from abroad, it appears Munster could bolster their out-half cover by signing Burns, who isn’t having his contract renewed by Ulster.

He joined the northern province in 2018, going on to be capped at Test level by Farrell, but he hasn’t played internationally since his seventh appearance, the 2021 Summer Series win over Japan in Dublin.

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An Irish Times report read: “Billy Burns is being lined up by Munster as a potential signing for next season in the light of Joey Carbery’s decision to move on from the province next summer and join Bordeaux.

“The 29-year-old Burns is not having his contract renewed by Ulster and The Irish Times understands that the out-half and Munster have undertaken negotiations with a view to him relocating south, which looks likely…

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“Burns is in his sixth season as Ulster’s first-choice out-half, having joined them in July 2018 following the retirement of Ian Humphreys, the termination of Paddy Jackson’s contract and the conclusion of Christian Lealiifano’s loan deal.”

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How much are Munster regretting losing Ben Healy now?!

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AllyOz 19 hours ago
Does the next Wallabies coach have to be an Australian?

I will preface this comment by saying that I hope Joe Schmidt continues for as long as he can as I think he has done a tremendous job to date. He has, in some ways, made the job a little harder for himself by initially relying on domestic based players and never really going over the top with OS based players even when he relaxed his policy a little more. I really enjoy how the team are playing at the moment.


I think Les Kiss, because (1) he has a bit more international experience, (2) has previously coached with Schmidt and in the same setup as Schmidt, might provide the smoothest transition, though I am not sure that this necessarily needs to be the case.


I would say one thing though about OS versus local coaches. I have a preference for local coaches but not for the reason that people might suppose (certainly not for the reason OJohn will have opined - I haven't read all the way down but I think I can guess it).


Australia has produced coaches of international standing who have won World Cups and major trophies. Bob Dwyer, Rod Macqueen, Alan Jones, Michael Cheika and Eddie Jones. I would add John Connolly - though he never got the international success he was highly successful with Queensland against quality NZ opposition and I think you could argue, never really got the run at international level that others did (OJohn might agree with that bit). Some of those are controversial but they all achieved high level results. You can add to that a number of assistants who worked OS at a high level.


But what the lack of a clear Australian coach suggests to me is that we are no longer producing coaches of international quality through our systems. We have had some overseas based coaches in our system like Thorn and Wessels and Cron (though I would suggest Thorn was a unique case who played for Australia in one code and NZ in the other and saw himself as a both a NZer and a Queenslander having arrived here at around age 12). Cron was developed in the Australian system anyway, so I don't have a problem with where he was born.


But my point is that we used to have systems in Australia that produced world class coaches. The systems developed by Dick Marks, which adopted and adapted some of the best coaching training approaches at the time from around the world (Wales particularly) but focussed on training Australian coaches with the best available methods, in my mind (as someone who grew up and began coaching late in that era) was a key part of what produced the highly skilled players that we produced at the time and also that produced those world class coaches. I think it was slipping already by the time I did my Level II certificate in 2002 and I think Eddie Jones influence and the priorities of the executive, particularly John O'Neill, might have been the beginning of the end. But if we have good coaching development programmes at school and junior level that will feed through to representative level then we will have


I think this is the missing ingredient that both ourselves and, ironically, Wales (who gave us the bones of our coaching system that became world leading), is a poor coaching development system. Fix that and you start getting players developing basic skills better and earlier in their careers and this feeds through all the way through the system and it also means that, when coaching positions at all levels come up, there are people of quality to fill them, who feed through the system all the way to the top. We could be exporting more coaches to Japan and England and France and the UK and the USA, as we have done a bit in the past.


A lack of a third tier between SR and Club rugby might block this a little - but I am not sure that this alone is the reason - it does give people some opportunity though to be noticed and play a key role in developing that next generation of players coming through. And we have never been able to make the cost sustainable.


I don't think it matters that we have an OS coach as our head coach at the moment but I think it does tell us something about overall rugby ecosystem that, when a coaching appointment comes up, we don't have 3 or 4 high quality options ready to take over. The failure of our coaching development pathway is a key missing ingredient for me and one of the reasons our systems are failing.

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