All Black pair all but ruled out of French series

His ultimate aim is to coach at international level again.

Tom Coughlin won the SB at the age of 76, and NFL does not suffer coaching fools gladly. Gregg Popovich is 75 and has been coaching the San Antonio Spurs since 1988 and he’s won five NBA title in three diff decades. Andy Reid is 67 and won the last two SBs with the Chiefs.

And in regard to Les Kiss’s age, well Nick Nurse got his first crack at the NBA in 2019, promptly winning a championship with the Raptors!

Rugby won’t go down the Soccer road and hire-and-fire like it’s the Wild West. It will find the value in older coaches as time passes. And even the manager of Real Marid is Carlo Ancelotti - aged 65!

The win rates are vitally important for this Lions tour. ‘01/’05/’09 were losses. ‘17 was a draw and ‘21 was a utter disgrace that stained the game. And a loss. They’ve won one test series in 24 years. And just 12 months ago people were worried about how uncompetitive Australia might be. Talk about added pressure.

Farrell is a straight forward, no nonsense type of guy. He’ll probably pick conservatively and with guys in their proven positions. He hasn’t the time for bolters or shock calls. Not with the touring schedule they have.

You haven’t remotely offended me, chief. Not at all.

You’ve actually missed that Ferguson is actually a sporting paradox. 23 years at the helm and the bulk of his success was from the mid-later point of his career. It only proves experience is more important than age.

I was being polite in suggesting the comparison was not stable.

His injury opens the door to blood a new loosehead prop, maybe Xavier Numia, who was a beast last SRP season but has not yet reached the same form. Ollie Norris is another contender at the Chiefs as is George Bower.

And like I said, he has only ever performed well at 7 in international rugby when there has been a specialist openside elsewhere in the back row who is able to share the defensive workload. If you’re going to lock in to only ever selecting Tom Curry at 6 then there’s no issues at all. But if there’s a chance that one day CCS, or Ted Hill, or Chessum, or Kpoku, or Carnduff might play 6, then a backrow with Earl at 7 would be extremely unbalanced.

I don’t have a pension fund. I am relaxed, but I’m that my tone offended you - it really wasn’t deliberate!

I named the specific coaches that the numbers were based on - which ones render the comparison “unstable”?

So if even your best examples of older coaches stepped back to more minor roles by 65 at the latest, its a bit of a non-sequiteur to suggest that Les Kiss should begin the biggest role of his life aged 63.

“rugby is still so very young as a pro sport. It hasn’t had much of a chance to value that kind of experienced head yet. It takes time to accumulate enough relevant experience, and rugby is only 30 years old.”

well, except for Gatland and Jones - but their experience doesn’t seem to count for much at the moment!