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'How can I put this? Every time that I tried something different, he had a counter'

Boan Venter (Photo by Oliver McVeigh/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Boan Venter spent Valentine’s Day alone in self-isolation half the world away from his fiancée. Holed up in the plush Edinburgh district of Canonmills, his Scottish quarantine ended on Tuesday when the South African was free to begin training with his new team-mates.

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Venter is altogether happy with his lot. After leaving the Cheetahs, he has an exhilarating move to a club he has long hankered to join, and the security of a three-and-a-half-year deal in Scotland. But there is one glaring absentee, a conspicuous piece missing from the hulking prop’s puzzle.

Venter’s fiancée Jacomi is back in Bloemfontein. Jacomi is a newly qualified pharmacist, but must satisfy the South African government’s graduate requirements before she can work unfettered overseas. The couple will not see each other again until June, and for the next year, their time together will be desperately sporadic.

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“It’s a bit of a p***er,” as Venter rather gruffly puts it. “Now, she has to do an internship. The real problem is next year – she has to do what’s called a Zuma year working for the government.

“If she doesn’t do that, she can’t get on the pharmacist’s roll and she won’t be able to come and work this side. We decided it might be better for her to stay until she is able to come and work here.

 

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“It’s not ideal, but prior to me signing with Edinburgh we had a chat about what we would do if the opportunity to sign overseas came. It’s not like we didn’t expect this situation. And if your eyes aren’t where your feet are walking, then you’re f***ed and you’re going to trip.”

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Venter is full of these quaint little wisdoms. “Your crank is always out there,” happens to be another favourite, an idiom of the old adage that no matter how tough you are, there will always be someone tougher.

A few of months shy of his 24th birthday, Venter learned that the hard way. In late January, his Cheetahs came up against Western Province in a Currie Cup match, pitting the young bull against the bruising old oxen, Frans Malherbe, a battle-scarred World Cup-winning Springbok.

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Frans Malherbe gave Boan Venter a clinic when they played /Getty Images

“How can I put this? His experience came forward a lot,” the loose-head chuckles. “Every time that I tried something different, he had a counter. The thing is, at prop, you have to get creative. The first few scrums, you have to check your opponent out and decide how he is today, and make a quick decision on what you are going to do.

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“He did a very good job to counter all of my plans. I’m really keen to learn at Edinburgh, especially form the senior guys like WP Nel. I still have a lot to learn especially in these weather conditions. Every game is an opportunity to be like a sponge.”

Venter is a good age to come to Europe. The prop was an excellent performer this season, and caught the eye during the Cheetahs’ ill-fated stint in the Pro14. He is a real explosive bruiser in the loose and his scrummaging is fast becoming a major weapon.

 

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He also fits the recent Edinburgh mould of signing accomplished, ready-made professionals who still have lots of room for growth without costing the Earth. Jan McGinity, the recently departed Leicester recruitment chief, and formerly near the top of the performance department at Scottish Rugby, rates him highly and tried to sign him for the Tigers.

In fact, Venter eschewed interest from two Premiership teams to sign at Murrayfield, even though he will have to chisel away at the established pecking order, where the titanic Pierre Schoeman and Scotland’s first-choice loose-head Rory Sutherland vie for the number one jersey.

Yet, oddly enough for a boy from the Northern Cape, he has thought highly of his new club for several years

“Richard Cockerill told me not to come with the mentality that I’m third in line, that I should do my utmost to get to first and to keep grinding,” Venter says.

“Edinburgh is a club that I’ve long admired, the vibe here is fantastic, it has a rich rugby history and I can see that it’s very professional. To come and develop my rugby, this was the best place for me.

“I don’t just want to be known for my scrummaging. I’d like to give them stability in the set-piece and definitely some excitement with the ball and on defence, making some big hits, showing some speed and hitting some gaps. I want to be a rounded player.

“Following Pierre, WP Nel and all those guys on social media and looking at what they’re getting up to, their highlights from the weekends… I’m rugby-mad and I love knowing what is going on in the world of rugby. I don’t think this deal was a coincidence after me showing some interest in Edinburgh.

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“I’ve spoken a bit to Pierre and him and his wife are having a hell of a time here, he’s playing really good rugby and the people here love him. I’m really excited to get in there, to really learn from them and grow in aspects.”

Graft is no turn-off for Venter; toil has been his currency for as long as he can remember. He and his younger brother were reared on their parents’ sheep farm. Hard work for a greater purpose was expected as soon as the Venter boys could hold a shovel.

“We were used to getting a spade in our hands and catching sheep from a young age. I wouldn’t trade that for anything. At the time it was all that I knew, I didn’t really see it as work. They were just everyday activities.

“The most special part of it was spending time with my family. We took that for granted back then, especially looking back from where I am now.

“It instils a habit of having a good work rate and knowing what you are working towards, and to know that there is always a bit more that can be done. The nature and the wildlife I will definitely miss. But I was on Google, and at least there is a zoo here, so I can pop in there any time.”

 

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If Venter is to make anything beyond the most occasional visit to Edinburgh Zoo, his agent must have sorted him out with a very handsome contract.

He will miss the lumbering beasts of the farmland, but he will also be shorn of a bit of lumbering himself. Venter is a keen enthusiast of a traditional Afrikaans dance style known as Sokkie. Wikipedia describes Sokkie as a form of ballroom dancing – as did Edinburgh in an introductory article about their new signing – but the big fella takes issue with that.

“They made me sound like a ballroom dancer! It’s nothing like Strictly Come Dancing,” he guffaws. “I don’t know if you’ve had a look on YouTube, but it’s not the same style, it’s not that stiff. It’s more for relaxation and socialising.

“It goes hand-in-hand with a few beers and it’s more about having fun and letting go than it is for concentrating on how many steps in which direction and where your head and your hands should be.
“We dance a lot at weddings. My brother is in that phase now, he’s 19 and that is definitely a big part of socialising. We have big dance halls where we can Sokkie and have a lekker dance, and sometimes a man has to man up and ask a pretty girl for a dance.”

Perhaps, instead, he can kilt up and trade Sokkie for an arm-yanking, lung-burning ceilidh. The drinking element will be no different. For the moment, Edinburgh will be keener to see him foxtrotting through tackles than lurching around the floor. And one day, hopefully before long, Venter’s dance partner will be able to join him.

“This is an opportunity I’ve prayed hard for, so for me now to moan and sulk seems a bit disrespectful because this is what I asked for and was blessed with,” he says.

“Jacomi and I have a 10-year plan. We know what we are working towards and what we have in one another.”

If it means cracking the Pro14 and playing Champions Cup rugby, he can live with a little long-distance romance.

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fl 33 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Would I'd be think"

Would I'd be think.


"Well that's one starting point for an error in your reasoning. Do you think that in regards to who should have a say in how it's setup in the future as well? Ie you would care what they think or what might be more fair for their teams (not saying your model doesn't allow them a chance)?"

Did you even read what you're replying to? I wasn't arguing for excluding south africa, I was pointing out that the idea of quantifying someone's fractional share of european rugby is entirely nonsensical. You're the one who was trying to do that.


"Yes, I was thinking about an automatic qualifier for a tier 2 side"

What proportion of european rugby are they though? Got to make sure those fractions match up! 😂


"Ultimately what I think would be better for t2 leagues would be a third comp underneath the top two tournemnts where they play a fair chunk of games, like double those two. So half a dozen euro teams along with the 2 SA and bottom bunch of premiership and top14, some Championship and div 2 sides thrown in."

I don't know if Championship sides want to be commuting to Georgia every other week.


"my thought was just to create a middle ground now which can sustain it until that time has come, were I thought yours is more likely to result in the constant change/manipulation it has been victim to"

a middle ground between the current system and a much worse system?

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fl 48 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Huh? You mean last in their (4 team) pools/regions? My idea was 6/5/4, 6 the max, for guarenteed spots, with a 20 team comp max, so upto 5 WCs (which you'd make/or would be theoretically impossible to go to one league (they'd likely be solely for its participants, say 'Wales', rather than URC specifically. Preferrably). I gave 3 WC ideas for a 18 team comp, so the max URC could have (with a member union or club/team, winning all of the 6N, and Champions and Challenge Cup) would be 9."


That's a lot of words to say that I was right. If (e.g.) Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.


"And the reason say another URC (for example) member would get the spot over the other team that won the Challenge Cup, would be because they were arguable better if they finished higher in the League."

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.


"It won't diminish desire to win the Challenge Cup, because that team may still be competing for that seed, and if theyre automatic qual anyway, it still might make them treat it more seriously"

This doesn't make sense. Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't. Under my system, teams will "compete for the seed" by winning the Challenge Cup, under yours they won't. If a team is automatically qualified anyway why on earth would that make them treat it more seriously?


"I'm promoting the idea of a scheme that never needs to be changed again"

So am I. I'm suggesting that places could be allocated according to a UEFA style points sytem, or according to a system where each league gets 1/4 of the spots, and the remaining 1/4 go to the best performing teams from the previous season in european competition.


"Yours will promote outcry as soon as England (or any other participant) fluctates. Were as it's hard to argue about a the basis of an equal share."

Currently there is an equal share, and you are arguing against it. My system would give each side the opportunity to achieve an equal share, but with more places given to sides and leagues that perform well. This wouldn't promote outcry, it would promote teams to take european competition more seriously. Teams that lose out because they did poorly the previous year wouldn't have any grounds to complain, they would be incentivised to try harder this time around.


"This new system should not be based on the assumption of last years results/performances continuing."

That's not the assumption I'm making. I don't think the teams that perform better should be given places in the competition because they will be the best performing teams next year, but because sport should be based on merit, and teams should be rewarded for performing well.


"I'm specifically promoting my idea because I think it will do exactly what you want, increase european rugyb's importance."

how?


"I won't say I've done anything compressive"

Compressive.

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JW 51 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Generally disagree with what? The possibility that they would get whitewashed, or the idea they shouldn't gain access until they're good enough?


I think the first is a fairly irrelevant view, decide on the second and then worry about the first. Personally I'd have had them in a third lvl comp with all the bottom dwellers of the leagues. I liked the idea of those league clubs resting their best players, and so being able to lift their standards in the league, though, so not against the idea that T2 sides go straight into Challenge Cup, but that will be a higher level with smaller comps and I think a bit too much for them (not having followed any of their games/performances mind you).

Because I don't think that having the possibility of a team finishing outside the quarter finals to qualify automatically will be a good idea. I'd rather have a team finishing 5th in their domestic league.

fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen.


The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime.

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JW 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Well I was mainly referring to my thinking about the split, which was essentially each /3 rounded up, but reliant on WCs to add buffer.


You may have been going for just a 16 team league ranking cup?


But yes, those were just ideas for how to select WCs, all very arbitrary but I think more interesting in ways than just going down a list (say like fl's) of who is next in line. Indeed in my reply to you I hinted at say the 'URC' WC spot actually being given to the Ireland pool and taken away from the Welsh pool.


It's easy to think that is excluding, and making it even harder on, a poor performing country, but this is all in context of a 18 or 20 team comp where URC (at least to those teams in the URC) got 6 places, which Wales has one side lingering around, and you'd expect should make. Imagine the spice in that 6N game with Italy, or any other of the URC members though! Everyone talks about SA joining the 6N, so not sure it will be a problem, but it would be a fairly minor one imo.


But that's a structure of the leagues were instead of thinking how to get in at the top, I started from the bottom and thought that it best those teams doing qualify for anything. Then I thought the two comps should be identical in structure. So that's were an even split comes in with creating numbers, and the 'UEFA' model you suggest using in some manner, I thought could be used for the WC's (5 in my 20 team comp) instead of those ideas of mine you pointed out.


I see Jones has waded in like his normal self when it comes to SH teams. One thing I really like about his idea is the name change to the two competitions, to Cup and Shield. Oh, and home and away matches.

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fl 2 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Yes I was the one who suggested to use a UEFA style point. And I guessed, that based on the last 5 years we should start with 6 top14, 6 URC and 4 Prem."

Yes I am aware that you suggested it, but you then went on to say that we should initially start with a balance that clearly wasn't derived from that system. I'm not a mind reader, so how was I to work out that you'd arrived at that balance by dint of completely having failed to remember the history of the competition.


"Again, I was the one suggesting that, but you didn't like the outcome of that."

I have no issues with the outcome of that, I had an issue with a completely random allocation of teams that you plucked out of thin air.

Interestingly its you who now seem to be renouncing the UEFA style points system, because you don't like the outcome of reducing URC representation.


"4 teams for Top14, URC and Prem, 3 teams for other leagues and the last winner, what do you think?"

What about 4 each + 4 to the best performing teams in last years competition not to have otherwise qualified? Or what about a UEFA style system where places are allocated to leagues on the basis of their performance in previous years' competitions?

There's no point including Black Lion if they're just going to get whitewashed every year, which I think would be a possibility. At most I'd support 1 team from the Rugby Europe Super Cup, or the Russian Championship being included. Maybe the best placed non-Israeli team and the Russian winners could play off every year for the spot? But honestly I think its best if they stay limited to the Challenge Cup for now.

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