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The points margin Scotland need against Ireland to make QFs

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Scotland Head Coach Gregor Townsend speaks with Coach Steve Tandy during the Autumn International match between Scotland and New Zealand at Murrayfield Stadium on November 13, 2022 in Edinburgh, Scotland. (Photo by Stu Forster/Getty Images)

Steve Tandy is adamant Scotland must focus simply on trying to defeat Ireland rather than getting tied up with the permutations that bonus points could have in the battle for quarter-final qualification.

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The two sides meet in Paris on Saturday in arguably the most significant match of the World Cup pool stage, with one of the top five teams in the world set to be eliminated this weekend.

From Scotland’s perspective, they must defeat Ireland either with a bonus point or by denying the world’s highest-ranked team a losing bonus in order to reach the last eight.

Asked how much the chase for points – as opposed to just needing a win – might alter the Scots’ mindset going into the Stade de France showdown, defence coach Tandy said: “I think it’s minor. I don’t think we can think too far ahead too early because they’re an outstanding team.

“The later the game goes, we’ll obviously be aware of things and what the scoreline is and the permutations are. But ultimately our focus to start with will just be on winning the game.”

Rugby World Cup

Pool A
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
France
3
3
0
0
13
2
New Zealand
3
2
1
0
10
3
Italy
3
2
1
0
10
4
Uruguay
3
1
2
0
5
5
Namibia
4
0
4
0
0
Pool B
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Ireland
3
3
0
0
14
2
South Africa
3
2
1
0
10
3
Scotland
3
2
1
0
10
4
Tonga
2
0
2
0
0
5
Romania
3
0
3
0
0
Pool C
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Wales
3
3
0
0
14
2
Fiji
3
2
1
0
10
3
Australia
3
1
2
0
6
4
Georgia
3
0
2
1
3
5
Portugal
2
0
1
1
2
Pool D
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
England
3
3
0
0
14
2
Argentina
3
2
1
0
9
3
Japan
3
2
1
0
9
4
Samoa
3
1
2
0
6
5
Chile
4
0
4
0
0

The Scots go into Saturday’s match in good fettle after scoring 19 tries in their last two matches against Tonga and Romania to keep themselves in contention following their 18-3 defeat by South Africa on the first weekend of the tournament.

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They have lost each of their last eight matches against the Irish but Tandy is confident they can halt that run when the stakes are at their highest in the French capital.

“Performances over the last few years give us belief,” he said. “I know we haven’t knocked over Ireland but there’s always a first time.

“It would be special to do it this weekend. We have an unbelievable opportunity to play Ireland in the World Cup and it will be an amazing atmosphere. We’re just super-excited to get out there on Saturday night.”

After beating Romania in Lille, at the very north of France, the Scots flew back to their base in the south, near Nice, on Sunday afternoon to gear up for Ireland. They will then fly back up to Paris on Thursday.

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Asked for the rationale behind returning to the Cote d’Azur between their two closing pool matches, as opposed to remaining in the north, Tandy said: “I don’t think it’s massive travel for us. It’s only an hour and a bit.

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“We’re always looked after when we get in and out of places. The base we’ve been training at has been brilliant. There’s familiarity there. The little bits of travelling are not major issues.

“The boys are used to it now in terms of what that looks like. We come back up to Paris on Thursday and it’ll be fine, we don’t see that as an issue. We’re back to what we’re used to (in Nice).

“The boys like it there. We’ve got a base we’re familiar with and the training facilities are excellent. And that little bit of sun just makes everyone a little bit happier as well.

“The travel and everything is so smooth that it’s no real issue for us.”

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Nickers 413 days ago

This feels like a similar vibe to Italy beating the All Blacks. Everyone wants to see it but Ireland will run out very comfortable winners.

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scottishsean666 413 days ago

Scotland going to win

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JW 24 minutes ago
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Yeah nar I pretty much agree with that sentiment, wasn't just about the lineout though.


Yeah, I think it's the future of SR, even TRC. Graham above just now posting about how good a night it was with a dbl header of ENGvSA and NZvFrance, and now I don't want to kick SA or Argentina out of TRC but it would be great if in this next of the woods 2 more top teams could come in to create more of these sort of nights (for rugby's appeal). Often Arg and SA and both travel here and you get those games but more often doesn't work out right.


Obviously a long way off but USA and Japan are the obvious two. First thing we need to do is get Eddie Jones kicked out of Japan so they can start improving again and then get a couple of US teams in SRP (even if one its just a US based and augmented Jaguares).


It will start off the whole conferences are crap debate again (which I will continue to argue vehemently against), but imagine a 6 team Pacific conference, Tokyo Sunwolves (drafted from Tokyo JRLO teams), Tokyo All Stars (made up of best remaining foreign players and overseas drafts), ALL Nihon (best of local non Tokyo based talent, inc China/Korea etc, with mainland Japan), a could of West Coast american franchises and perhaps a second self PI driven Hawai'i based team, or Jagaures. So I see a short NFL like 3 or 4 month comp as fitting best, maybe not even a full round, NZvAUSvPAC, all games taking place within a 6hr window. Model for NZ will definitely still require a competitive and funded NPC!


On the Crusaders, I liked last years ending with Grace on the bench (ovbiously form dependent but thats how it ended) and Lio-Willie at 8. I could have Blackadder trying to be a 7 but think balance will be used with him at 6 and Kellow as 7. Scott Barrett is an international 6 sized player. It is just NZ style/model that pushes him into the tight, I reckon he'd be a great loose player, and saders have Strange and Cahill as bigger players (plus that change could draw someone like Darry back). Same with Haig now, hes not grown yet but Barrett hight and been playing 6, now that the Highlanders have only chosen two locks he'll be playing lock, and that is going to change his growth trajectory massively, rather than seeing him grow like an International 6.

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Tom 40 minutes ago
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Interesting post. I realise that try was down to Marcus Smith not Slade, this is why I mentioned that England's attack is completely reliant on Smith working miracles. Just wanted to highlight that Slade's little touch was classy and most English players would have cocked it up. Earl has gas, he's very athletic but Underhill is nailed on at 7 in my eyes though. They both need to be on the pitch so we need a tall 6 or 8 to complement them which we have in CCS and potentially Ollie Chessum. We also have young Henry Pollock who may be the 7 by the world cup.


The whole attack needs an overhaul but Richard Wigglesworth our attack coach was a very limited scrum half who excelled at box kicking and had no running game. Spent most of his career with Saracens who mauled, defended and set pieced their way to victory.... Which might have been ok if Felix Jones hadn't quit and been replaced by a guy who coaches Oyonnax who have one of the worst defences in the French 2nd division. I'm not too emotionally invested in England right now because this coaching setup isn't capable of winning anything.


England had no attack when they were winning under Eddie either. They battered teams with huge dominant tackles and won from pressure. The last time England had any creativity in attack was the Stuart Lancaster/Mike Catt era. They played some fantastic attacking rugby but results were mediocre, lots of 2nd place finishes in the 6N although it felt like we were building something special until we got brutally dumped out of our home world cup in the pool stage.

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JW 1 hour ago
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As has been the way all year, and for all England's play I can remember. I missed a lot of the better years under Eddie though.


Lets have a look at the LQB for the last few games... 41% under 3 sec compared to 56% last week, 47% in the game you felt England best in against NZ, and 56 against Ireland.


That was my impression as well. Dunno if that is a lack of good counterattack ball from the D, forward dominance (Post Contact Meters stats reversed yesterday compared to that fast Ireland game), or some Borthwick scheme, but I think that has been highlighted as Englands best point of difference this year with their attack, more particularly how they target using it in certain areas. So depending on how you look at it, not necessarily the individual players.


You seem to be falling into the same trap as NZs supporters when it comes to Damien McKenzie. That play you highlight Slade in wasn't one of those LQB situations from memory, that was all on the brilliance of Smith. Sure, Slade did his job in that situation, but Smith far exceeded his (though I understand it was a move Sleightholme was calling for). But yeah, it's not always going to be on a platter from your 10 and NZ have been missing that Slade line, in your example, more often than not too. When you go back to Furbank and Feyi-Waboso returns you'll have that threat again. Just need to generate that ball, wait for some of these next Gen forwards to come through etc, the props and injured 6 coming back to the bench. I don't think you can put Earl back to 7, unless he spends the next two years speeding up (which might be good for him because he's getting beat by speed like he's not used to not having his own speed to react anymore).

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