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Both coaches agree on Semi Radradra 20-minute red card

Waisea Nayacalevu of Fiji reacts as Referee Luc Ramos shows a red card to Semi Radradra of Fiji (not pictured) following a Bunker Review, as part of the on-going trial this results in a 20 minute Sin Bin for Semi Radradra before Fiji are allowed to make a red card replacement, during the Autumn Nations Series 2024 match between Wales and Fiji at the Principality Stadium on November 10, 2024 in Cardiff, Wales. (Photo by Dan Mullan/Getty Images)

Both Wales head coach Warren Gatland and Fiji’s Mick Byrne say they are in favour of the 20-minute red card Law that saw Semi Radradra dismissed from the field in their sides’ Autumn Nations Series clash on Sunday afternoon in Cardiff.

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The Pacific Islanders triumphed for the first time in Cardiff as Wales suffered a record-equalling 10th Test consecutive defeat.

Wales led 14-3 but a red card for Semi Radradra – who was sent off for a dangerous tackle midway through the first half but allowed to be replaced due to World Rugby’s 20-minute red-card trial – galvanised Fiji.

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    The 20-min red card explained by referee Karl Dickson

    Referee Karl Dickson explains the 20-min red card system that is in place during the Autumn Nations Series.

    Fly-half Caleb Muntz scored 19 points through a try, four penalties and a conversion, with centre Josua Tuisova’s late score sealing matters.

    Fiji head coach Byrne said: “I think it’s a great thing for the game. I know there’s a lot of angst up in the north. We’ve been playing under that law now for a number of years down in the southern hemisphere.

    “I think it’s still part of the law that if it’s deliberate foul play it’s still a full red card and I think we can’t lose sight of that. But the game’s played in such a way now that a red card can ruin the spectacle and I thought that game went right down to the wire tonight and I think that’s the idea of it.

    “A yellow went to red, it’s still 20 minutes but if it was deliberate foul play it’s still a full red and that player can’t be replaced.

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    “So I think the game’s in a good place as far as that goes and I understand the protection around the foul play, etc but I think if there’s deliberate foul play and they call red then we’ve got the best of both worlds. We saw a great game go down to the wire tonight because it was 15 on 15.”

    Gatland said: “I’m in favour of it (red card trial) if it’s not deemed to be reckless or deliberate.

    “There’s no arms in there and he’s gone for the shoulders, and there’s head-to-head contact.

    “If you catch someone high it can be a 20-minute red card, but they’ve to deem whether it’s foul play of a certain standard.

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    “I think it keeps the game alive and it’s probably given Fiji an opportunity to get back in the game. I don’t see that as bad for the game.”

    Wales’ latest defeat matched a run of losses set in 2002 and 2003 under Gatland’s fellow New Zealander Steve Hansen.

    They have not tasted success since beating 2023 World Cup pool stage opponents Georgia.

    On pressure building on him during Wales’ losing run, Gatland said: “The pressure comes externally, basically from the media as it’s a narrative that you create.

    “That’s OK from where I sit. We’ve said for the last 12 months since the World Cup, with the number of players and experience that we’ve lost, that we were going to invest in a group of youngsters we felt we could build with and take us on.

    “We’ve seen development from those youngsters. We’ve said we need some patience and time. But I understand Test match rugby is about performing and winning.”

    additional reporting PA

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    SadersMan 165 days ago

    Great. Also the 'two yellows equals a red card' rule is better served by a 20min red card. Repeat yellows are usually around cynical play & sometimes the red-carded player is taking at least one of the yellows for the team.

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    Nick - thanks for another good piece.


    It’s remarkable that Matt Williams gets so upset about Bomb Squad tactics. He’s not just making recommendations, but getting all sweaty about bench splits. But it’s not really about bench splits. He just does not like forwards, and their role in the game.


    I thought this quote was telling:

    What about Kitshoff, what happened to his spine in South Africa? Do we know if that is as a result of the scrummaging they are put through?

    Ouch. So we are really on a program of reducing scrummaging to reduce spinal injuries? That’s the mission? And based on the statistically significant dataset of one case, a case in which he openly admits that he does not have the details. Regardless, if his goal is to reduce spinal injuries for prop forwards then arguing about bench splits seems like an odd place to start.


    It’s not just spinal injuries that he cares about. The risk of paralysis is an important issue, and he raises this too:

    I’m a bit of a lone voice but, because of my club-mate Grant Harper (ex-Western Suburbs prop who was paralysed after a collapsed scrum), I’m not shutting up on it.

    Injuries are horrible, and paralysis is truly awful. We should absolutely take it very seriously, and diligently implement whatever safety protocols and education programs we can to minimize these things. But we don’t ban skydiving or hang gliding, or crossing the road. Though Williams is not looking to ban rugby, he does seem to be intent on reducing the role of forwards in the game, based on entirely anecdotal data.


    It’s hard to tell what it’s all about. He makes this supposed safety case and says that no-one in his echo chamber disagrees with him:

    Every time I go out, old forwards and old props go up to me and they say, ‘you’re right’. I’ve never had anyone, apart from a few South Africans – because it’s good for South Africa – say it’s rubbish.

    It’s weird that “old props” are hanging around his front door and lobbying him, or maybe he just doesn’t “go out” much. Could it be that all of the hand-wringing about bench splits and scrummaging injuries is really a proxy for something else? Is it possible his issue is not about safety at all?


    Well, that is what it seems. For me the truth is in this comment:

    Can Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia and Argentina compete against South Africa, New Zealand and France if that’s the way the game goes? The answer to that is no.

    So, this is the real issue for him. The Bomb Squad tactic is a really good one, and you have to be really good to play against it. Or you should try to de-power it by banning it, wailing about injuries that it supposedly causes (it doesn’t) and clutching at anecdotal straws to make your case.


    The above quote is an insult to the five countries named, and it also suggests that no-one is going to be smart enough to come up with a game plan that neutralizes the bomb squad or turns it to a relative weakness. Williams is just a noisy fan looking to change the laws to favor his team and his personal tastes.


    I agree with your conclusions. This Rassie approach is far from being unfair to backs. Not only does it favor fleet-footed and versatile “skills players” in the double-digit positions, but each individual gets more game time in any given match.


    Whenever I go out I get exactly zero “old backs” coming up to me and complaining about the Bomb Squad tactic.


    Bravo, Rassie.

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