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Brad Weber would’ve been the next-best option for the World Cup

Brad Weber of the All Blacks scores a try during The Rugby Championship match between the South Africa Springboks and New Zealand All Blacks at Cbus Super Stadium on October 02, 2021 in Gold Coast, Australia. (Photo by Albert Perez/Getty Images)

I would like to have seen Brad Weber in the All Blacks’ Rugby World Cup squad.

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I’ve written already this week about where I think last Saturday’s Bledisloe Cup clash with Australia was won, but I overlooked one important ingredient – Aaron Smith’s voice.

Smith is still a very fine player, but I believe this greatest attribute now is organisational.

Forwards need to be told where to go and what to do and Smith never leaves them in any doubt.

The All Blacks’ comeback in Dunedin was in part due to Smith’s tutelage, as the pack immediately went forward and sapped Australia’s resolve.

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The difference between the performance and attitude of the forwards Smith played behind and those of starting halfback Finlay Christie was striking.

I’m not for a minute suggesting Christie is no good. Just as I can’t ignore the promise of third-stringer Cam Roigard.

But if we’re looking for a bloke to bark at forwards in the way Smith so effectively does, then Weber would’ve been the next-best option.

Christie and Roigard are trying to find their feet as players. They don’t have the experience and command to bully big forwards yet.

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I hope a lack of voice from No.9, when Smith isn’t on the park, doesn’t hurt the team when it counts.

Beyond that, I wasn’t too hot and bothered about selections.

I’m not absolutely sold on the outside backs or loose forwards, but that’s about it.

Beauden Barrett will play fullback and Will Jordan right wing in New Zealand’s best XV. So do we really need all of Mark Telea, Leicester Fainga’anuku and Caleb Clarke to contest the No.11 jersey?

Telea is a bit more unique, but Fainga’anuku and Clarke essentially offer the same thing, with the former doing it a lot better than the latter in my opinion.

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I’d have liked a bit more versatility in the back-three, of the sort that Shaun Stevenson might have provided.

The loose forwards are okay. Ardie Savea is good, Shannon Frizell looks increasingly explosive and then? Well, I have to admit to being a little underwhelmed.

If Frizzell can continue his form, then maybe that’s not a big deal. But he’s 28 caps into his Test career and the forgettable games definitely outnumber the memorable ones.

These are minor quibbles, though.

Not because the squad as a whole is so outstanding. More because it’ll be the tight five, halfback and first five-eighth that either win or lose New Zealand the world cup.

That’s why I go back to Weber and have expressed reservations about Damian McKenzie.

We have good options in the tight five and, in Smith and Richie Mo’unga, an accomplished halves pairing. But Smith can’t be on the park all the time and if Mo’unga falls over we don’t have anyone who’s remotely a like-for-like replacement.

We can’t conjure another game-controlling first five out of thin air, but we could have given ourselves the comfortable option of Weber waiting in the wings behind Smith.

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B.J. Spratt 440 days ago

We can only play with the players we have available. We need to accept that New Zealand Rugby is at a 10 year low. We are still able to compete, apart from last weekend.

I don't think there were any players left at home that should have gone, apart from Webber over Christie. Stephenson unlucky? Maybe Moodie>

I don't think that they were going to make that much difference.

We still have to be able to win our own "Set Play"

All Blacks not being able to throw the ball into the lineout was "embarrassing" or not being able to pass and catch the ball, was disturbing.

We have seen "failing to throw the ball in on our throw" a lot in the last few years.

A captain who has the "mental capacity" to assess, understand, motivate, change tactics and lead also helps in World Cups.

Du Pont can, Kilosi can, Sexton can, Farrell can and when we won the last 2 World Cups we had Ritchie McCaw.

Accepting that we don't have the players "right now" or maybe the "right combinations"

That will change next year and we will "see a completely New Approach to "Selecting and Coaching Al Blacks"

Hopefully the current CEO will be sacked along with his board of incompetents.

When the "Club" is woefully mismanaged the Team suffers.

I think it would be a really good idea for the All Blacks to make a trip to "Lourdes" before Friday.

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Another 464 days ago

There is a fair bit of hole-poking going on from some critics over this squad. To be sure, it was about 95% predictable - being based on the previous 36-man squad picked earlier in the year, minus three relative rookies, and a switch around in the midfield brought about by injury. It is a squad that has served them pretty well so far.

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Andrew 465 days ago

Youd get no odds on a bet that if Smith is injured out of the tourney at the playoffs, that Weber would be straight in at starting 9. Thats the madness of all this.

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Chris 465 days ago

Nah mate
The problem is at centre
The 1st is great but Havili?
This guy is a liability and el Brown is ok at best
Centres get injured a lot then these guys?

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rod 465 days ago

Christie & McKenzie played behind a forward pack going backwards in the first 45 minutes but you fail to see Christie to Dmacs pass to Stephenson to go in for the try! That was class

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JW 1 hour ago
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Yeah nar I pretty much agree with that sentiment, wasn't just about the lineout though.


Yeah, I think it's the future of SR, even TRC. Graham above just now posting about how good a night it was with a dbl header of ENGvSA and NZvFrance, and now I don't want to kick SA or Argentina out of TRC but it would be great if in this next of the woods 2 more top teams could come in to create more of these sort of nights (for rugby's appeal). Often Arg and SA and both travel here and you get those games but more often doesn't work out right.


Obviously a long way off but USA and Japan are the obvious two. First thing we need to do is get Eddie Jones kicked out of Japan so they can start improving again and then get a couple of US teams in SRP (even if one its just a US based and augmented Jaguares).


It will start off the whole conferences are crap debate again (which I will continue to argue vehemently against), but imagine a 6 team Pacific conference, Tokyo Sunwolves (drafted from Tokyo JRLO teams), Tokyo All Stars (made up of best remaining foreign players and overseas drafts), ALL Nihon (best of local non Tokyo based talent, inc China/Korea etc, with mainland Japan), a could of West Coast american franchises and perhaps a second self PI driven Hawai'i based team, or Jagaures. So I see a short NFL like 3 or 4 month comp as fitting best, maybe not even a full round, NZvAUSvPAC, all games taking place within a 6hr window. Model for NZ will definitely still require a competitive and funded NPC!


On the Crusaders, I liked last years ending with Grace on the bench (ovbiously form dependent but thats how it ended) and Lio-Willie at 8. I could have Blackadder trying to be a 7 but think balance will be used with him at 6 and Kellow as 7. Scott Barrett is an international 6 sized player. It is just NZ style/model that pushes him into the tight, I reckon he'd be a great loose player, and saders have Strange and Cahill as bigger players (plus that change could draw someone like Darry back). Same with Haig now, hes not grown yet but Barrett hight and been playing 6, now that the Highlanders have only chosen two locks he'll be playing lock, and that is going to change his growth trajectory massively, rather than seeing him grow like an International 6.

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Tom 1 hour ago
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Interesting post. I realise that try was down to Marcus Smith not Slade, this is why I mentioned that England's attack is completely reliant on Smith working miracles. Just wanted to highlight that Slade's little touch was classy and most English players would have cocked it up. Earl has gas, he's very athletic but Underhill is nailed on at 7 in my eyes though. They both need to be on the pitch so we need a tall 6 or 8 to complement them which we have in CCS and potentially Ollie Chessum. We also have young Henry Pollock who may be the 7 by the world cup.


The whole attack needs an overhaul but Richard Wigglesworth our attack coach was a very limited scrum half who excelled at box kicking and had no running game. Spent most of his career with Saracens who mauled, defended and set pieced their way to victory.... Which might have been ok if Felix Jones hadn't quit and been replaced by a guy who coaches Oyonnax who have one of the worst defences in the French 2nd division. I'm not too emotionally invested in England right now because this coaching setup isn't capable of winning anything.


England had no attack when they were winning under Eddie either. They battered teams with huge dominant tackles and won from pressure. The last time England had any creativity in attack was the Stuart Lancaster/Mike Catt era. They played some fantastic attacking rugby but results were mediocre, lots of 2nd place finishes in the 6N although it felt like we were building something special until we got brutally dumped out of our home world cup in the pool stage.

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JW 2 hours ago
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As has been the way all year, and for all England's play I can remember. I missed a lot of the better years under Eddie though.


Lets have a look at the LQB for the last few games... 41% under 3 sec compared to 56% last week, 47% in the game you felt England best in against NZ, and 56 against Ireland.


That was my impression as well. Dunno if that is a lack of good counterattack ball from the D, forward dominance (Post Contact Meters stats reversed yesterday compared to that fast Ireland game), or some Borthwick scheme, but I think that has been highlighted as Englands best point of difference this year with their attack, more particularly how they target using it in certain areas. So depending on how you look at it, not necessarily the individual players.


You seem to be falling into the same trap as NZs supporters when it comes to Damien McKenzie. That play you highlight Slade in wasn't one of those LQB situations from memory, that was all on the brilliance of Smith. Sure, Slade did his job in that situation, but Smith far exceeded his (though I understand it was a move Sleightholme was calling for). But yeah, it's not always going to be on a platter from your 10 and NZ have been missing that Slade line, in your example, more often than not too. When you go back to Furbank and Feyi-Waboso returns you'll have that threat again. Just need to generate that ball, wait for some of these next Gen forwards to come through etc, the props and injured 6 coming back to the bench. I don't think you can put Earl back to 7, unless he spends the next two years speeding up (which might be good for him because he's getting beat by speed like he's not used to not having his own speed to react anymore).

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