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Bristol explain their signing of Kieran Marmion after Andy Uren exit

Kieran Marmion celebrates a 2018 Ireland try versus the All Blacks (Photo by Paul Faith/AFP via Getty Images)

Pat Lam has described former Ireland international Kieran Marmion as the perfect fit to replace Andy Uren, the Bristol scrum-half who has accepted what the Bears coach described as a life-changing offer from Benetton. The recently-turned 27-year-old was the subject of criticism from some fans following the last-gasp January defeat at Saracens and 32 days on from that ordeal, he has secured early release from his existing contract to move to Italy for the 2023/24 URC season.

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That unexpected exit has been quickly offset by Lam reuniting with Marmion, the title-winning scrum-half when the coach was in charge of the Connacht team that won the 2016 Pro 12 with a wonderful flourish. The half-back also won 28 Test caps with Ireland, with the most memorable of his eight caps as a starter coming in the November 2018 Dublin win over the All Blacks.

However, he fell down the pecking order after Andy Farrell succeeded Joe Schmidt and having last been capped in November 2020 versus Georgia, his impending switch to England will officially end his Test career as Ireland do not select overseas-based players.

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Speaking at his Wednesday media briefing ahead of Friday’s Gallagher Premiership at home to Northampton, Lam reckoned that the now 31-year-old Marmion should be joining Bristol on his two-year deal with way more caps under his belt. “Ireland, as we see now and even back in Joe Schmidt’s day, they are blessed with some quality players and I know that because I worked five years with those guys and I knew the talent was coming through.

“Anyone who gets capped for Ireland, similar to the All Blacks the way Irish rugby is at the minute, it’s a real success story because of the competition for places. Do I believe he could have got more? Without a doubt. I thought he was good enough at that stage and he is still on top of his game there.

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“It’s also good to see Caolin Blade, who was also in the academy with me, and he has come through (with Connacht and Ireland). For Kieran at this stage, at 31, (Jamison) Gibson-Park has come on, there is (Craig) Casey, they have got a lot of good nines. John Cooney, who I had as well, is still trucking on. There are so many good players but Kieran is obviously not in that picture at the moment for them.

“He was looking for a chance to change and he was a very, very big player when I was there (at Connacht). He is exactly the type of nine that I like – he is great running with ball, he is physically very strong and defensively very strong. He fits the mould perfectly for what we are looking for on and off the field, a good team man.”

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With Marmion’s mother living “35 minutes down the road in Brecon”, the attraction for him joining Bristol was obvious once Lam gave the long-serving Uren his blessing to break his Bears contract and move to Italy. “The offer he got was significant and it’s life-changing for him. Treviso are looking for their number-one half-back, someone to lead and drive, which is why they put the offer in,” continued the coach.

“I said to Andy, you have been at Bristol your whole career, you are only 26 [now 27], you have over 150 games, you are competing with Harry Randall versus going to a club where it’s No1 (position). We talked through all of these things and ultimately he made the decision that it is something that he wanted to do and we felt he deserved this.

“He has only played here and is able to now go and experience his rugby in a different way. I honestly believe this is such a great experience for him and he believes it is too, and the plan is for him to come back, 29 years old, and continue and play 200-plus games for the Bears. It’s a great situation for him. We don’t make these decisions lightly to release him.”

Lam added the recent fallout Uren had to endure after the last-minute Bristol loss at Saracens was a factor.  “I was horrified by the toll after the Saracens game when fans and people started having a real go at him personally. That was a tough week for him and I was really disappointed with that.

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“I saw the toll it took on him and part of that whole reason he is going now is starting afresh, learning something different, experiencing something different in a different country, different language and really growing.”

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GrahamVF 26 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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