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Champions Cup: What happened to French domination?

Dublin , Ireland - 20 May 2023; Gregory Alldritt, left, and Romain Sazy of La Rochelle lift the trophy after during the Heineken Champions Cup Final match between Leinster and La Rochelle at Aviva Stadium in Dublin. (Photo By Ramsey Cardy/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Two French clubs top the statistics at the halfway point of the pool phase of the Investec Champions Cup, but the remaining two weekends leading into the round of 16 may answer the vexing question of what has become of that country’s anticipated domination of Europe.

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Toulouse are the most prolific winners of the elite competition and in the eyes of many they are the favourites to dethrone their countrymen LaRochelle, who have usurped them in the past two seasons by becoming champions for the sixth time.

That is based on the ease with which they’ve won their games so far – they inflicted the biggest defeat on Cardiff that the Welsh team has suffered in nearly two decades and then went to the Stoop in London where they sounded an ominous warning with a 47-19 win over Harlequins.

The big win over Cardiff was maybe expected, the margin of victory away to Harlequins not so much.

In the process Toulouse have scored the most tries so far in the competition, 14, as well as the most points (99). Some of their other game statistics make as chilling reading to the other teams in the competition – they top the lineout success at 100 percent, metres made at 1235, clean breaks at 41. They are third in the ball carrying stakes with 259 carries.

But then, as we saw at the recent Rugby World Cup in France, not everything is always equal when a competition is divided into pools or groups that may not all be equal in strength and competitiveness. And that can certainly be suggested of the other French club that boasts a 100 percent record and tops their group – Bordeaux Begles are assumed to be on the rise after filling their boots against Connacht and Bristol Bears.

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South Africans might get a better idea of what kind of achievement that is when the Vodacom Bulls, who thrashed Connacht at Loftus earlier in the Vodacom United Rugby Championship season, clash with Bristol on Saturday afternoon. And then the Bulls get their chance to test Bordeaux when they host the French team the following weekend at Loftus, a venue where the Bulls have not lost in the Champions Cup.

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But perhaps the more telling point about Bordeaux and their unexpected statement is what they have been doing in their own league, the Top 14.

They are second in that league and are on a seven match winning streak in all competitions going into Sunday’s game against Saracens, a clash which evokes that old sports writing headline cliche of “moment of truth”.

If they can do to Saracens what they’ve done to the other teams in the Champions Cup, and if their smattering of top quality internationals such as Damian Penaud, Louis Beille-Barry and Matthieu Jalibert continue to run riot against Owen Farrell’s men, then they have arrived and can be considered serious contenders.

They have the second highest number of tries and points behind Toulouse.

But what of the other French teams? A look at the records turned in so far by the three leagues represented in the Champions Cup makes sobering reading for France – the French teams have played 16 games across the competition, and won just five.

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The URC teams, after a tough start in week one, recovered slightly, as the Glasgow Warriors coach Franco Smith predicted they would, in the second round. The cross-hemisphere competition teams have six wins in 16 starts with one draw.

That draw was Munster’s home game against Bayonne, a result that has left the URC champions a bit behind the eight-ball and desperately needing to win Saturday’s away game against Toulon, one of many clashes this weekend that can compete for the title of plum fixture.

Munster followed up the draw by losing to Exeter Chiefs at Sandy Park so they face an uphill battle to get into the round of 16.

The Chiefs are one of four English Premiership teams that is unbeaten in the competition after two rounds, which some see as an indication that the loss of some clubs because of financial difficulties as condensed the strength of English club rugby.

That will be put to the test this weekend, not least by the two South African teams, with the DHL Stormers hosting the Sale Sharks just after the Bulls have visited Bristol, but also by Bayonne’s visit to unbeaten Northampton Saints. URC challengers Glasgow Warriors will be out to make a point away against the Chiefs.

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Bordeaux and Lyon occupy the top two spots in Pool 1 and Toulouse head Pool 2, with the highly regarded French teams that have become a talking point through non-performance being LaRochelle and Siya Kolisi’s new club Racing 92, plus to an extent Stade Francais, who occupy the foot of the log in the highly competitive Pool 4 that features Leinster, Leicester Tigers, the Sale Sharks, the Stormers and the reigning champions.

Stade Francais host the Stormers in their last game but by then they could be out of it as they face a tough task away in Dublin against Leinster on Saturday night. The French teams tend to change focus when they are no longer in contention for a trophy, mostly because the promotion/relegation situation in France is so brutal, which could be part of the answer as to why the French have not dominated.

Leinster, narrowly beaten in the past two finals, are the other unbeaten side in the competition and have made a strong start to their latest challenge for what will be their fifth European title that began with their away win over their nemesis of the last two seasons, LaRochelle.

So which is the plum game of the weekend? There are plenty of really big match-ups if you look at team pedigree, and in that regard Racing’s visit to Bath to play a team that is soaring under the coaching of former Springbok assistant Johann van Graan on Sunday looks like one that shouldn’t be missed.

But given where defeat will leave them, LaRochelle’s home game against the Tigers has even more significance for the competition, the Stormers can’t afford to lose in Cape Town, Munster go to France on a knock-out footing, and Ulster can show that their recent one point win over Leinster was no fluke by subjecting Toulouse to a proper test at the Kingspan Stadium.

The four top teams in each pool go through to the Champions Cup round of 16 while the fifth placed team drops to the round of 16 phase of the EPCR Challenge Cup, so there should be interest in developments at the top from the lower tier competition too.

Certainly if LaRochelle find themselves in the Challenge Cup they will fancy their chances of winning it, and Munster too if they don’t make it.

Not that anything is cut and dried as yet, and the competition is only halfway through the pool phase. By Sunday night it will all be a lot clearer though.

Investec Champions Cup

Pool 1
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Bordeaux
2
2
0
0
10
2
Lyon
2
1
1
0
7
3
Bulls
2
1
1
0
5
4
Saracens
2
1
1
0
5
5
Bristol
2
1
1
0
5
6
Connacht
2
0
2
0
1
Pool 2
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Toulouse
2
2
0
0
10
2
Bath
2
2
0
0
10
3
Ulster
2
1
1
0
5
4
Harlequins
2
1
1
0
5
5
Racing 92
2
0
2
0
2
6
Cardiff Rugby
2
0
2
0
2
Pool 3
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Northampton
2
2
0
0
9
2
Exeter Chiefs
2
2
0
0
9
3
Glasgow
2
1
1
0
4
4
Bayonne
2
0
1
1
3
5
Munster
2
0
1
1
3
6
Toulon
2
0
2
0
2
Pool 4
P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Leinster
2
2
0
0
9
2
Leicester
2
2
0
0
9
3
Sale
2
1
1
0
4
4
Stormers
2
1
1
0
4
5
La Rochelle
2
0
2
0
2
6
Stade Francais
2
0
2
0
1

Weekend Investec Champions Cup fixtures

Friday

Northampton Saints v Bayonne (22.00)

Saturday

Exeter Chiefs v Glasgow Warriors (15.00)

Lyon v Connacht (15.00)

Bristol Bears v Bulls (17.15)

Toulon v Munster (17.15)

DHL Stormers v Sale Sharks (19.30)

Leinster v Stade Francais (19.30)

Ulster v Toulouse (22.00)

Cardiff Rugby v Harlequins (22.00)

Sunday

Bath v Racing 92 (15.00)

La Rochelle v Leicester Tigers (17.15)

Bordeaux Begles v Saracens (19.30)

EPCR Challenge Cup

Friday

Newcastle v Benetton (22.00)

Ospreys v Perpignan (22.00)

Saturday

Hollywoodbets Sharks v Oyonnax (15.00)

Clermont Auvergne v Scarlets (15.00)

Castres v Black Lion (17.15)

Zebre v Dragons (17.15)

Edinburgh v Gloucester (19.30)

Montpellier v Emirates Lions (22.00)

Sunday

Toyota Cheetahs v Pau (15.00)

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Sumkunn Tsadmiova 356 days ago

Bouclier de Brennus dates back 132 years. European rugby cup dates back 29 years. Simple priority if you’re French. Leave Europe to Ireland - confined otherwise to a rubbish, mongrel, ever-changing league (Oh Zebre, nice) it matters to them…

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JW 2 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

Of course not, but were not going to base our reasoning on what is said in one comment in a particular scenario and time, are we?


Actually, you are? Seriously?

Although Burke readily admits “I am driven by international rugby”, his final destination is still unknown. He could be one day replacing Finn Russell in the navy blue of Scotland, or challenging Marcus Smith for the right to wear a red rose on his chest, or cycling all the way home to the silver fern. It is all ‘Professor Plum in the billiards room with the lead pipe’ type guesswork, as things stand.

You yourself suggested it? Just theoretically? Look I hope Burke does well, but he's not really a player that has got a lot of attention, you've probably read/heard more him in this last few months than we have in his 4 years. Your own comments also suggest going overseas is a good idea to push ones case for national selection, especially for a team like NZ being so isolated. So i'll ask again, as no of your quotes obviously say one thing or the other, why don't you think he might be trying to advance his case like Leicester did?


Also, you can look at Leicesters statements in a similar fashion, where no doubt you are referring to his comments made while in NZ (still playing a big part of the WC campaign in his case). You should be no means have taken them for granted, and I'd suggest any other coach or management and he might not have returned (been wanted back).

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JW 3 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

As Razor should be, he is the All Black coach after all. Borthwick or Schmidt, not so much. The point I was trying to make is that people are comparing Razors first year (14 games) versus Fosters first 14 games, which were over two years and happened to conclude just before he lost all of his EOYT games (Ireland, France, England etc). Not to mention them being COVID level opponents.


So who were these 6 teams and circumstances of Marcus's loses? I had just written that sentence as a draft and it was still there after adding the prior sentence, so just left it there lol. So not bullying no, but left essentially to say 'i'm not going to find out of myself', yes. I thought I had already proved the need for that sort of requirement with the Razor reference. So as per above, there would be a lot of context to take out of those 14 games (those shared between Farrell Ford and Smith) against higher opponents. It's a good stat/way to highlight the your point, but all a stat like that really does is show you theres something to investigate. Had you done this investigation prior to coming to your realisation, or after?


Yes, my view is that England did very well to push New Zealand on multiple occasions, and Marcus specifically in keeping England in the game against Australia. Personally I think Englands results are more down to luck however. And as I said, I'm here to be swayed, not defend Marcus as the #1. I think I understand were you're coming from, and you make a good observation that the 10 has a fair bit to do with how fast a side can play (though what you said was a 'Marcus neutral' statement) and the same argument has been made with the All Blacks fascination with playing players like Beauden Barrett at 10 who can't orchestrate an attack like that in order to compound LQB into points. Even a 10 like Dmac is more a self creator than one that is a cog in a wider plan.


But I still don't think you'd be right if you've put down the sides lack of LQB (pretty sure I remember checking that stat) compared to the 6N as being something to do with a Marcus Smith side. We've seen other similar teams who rely on it being found out recently as well, I just think it's harder to get that flow on (lets not making it a debate about the relative strength of the hemispheres) now (hence said investigation into those games and contexts are required).


25 is also young, he is the best fit to take the side to a RWC. Ford or Farrell are not. Fin could be, but as you've said with Marcus, that would require a lot of change elsewhere in the team 2 years out of a WC. Marcus will get a 6N to prove himself so to speak, unless Fin gets in quick, I don't think you should want a change if you get a couple of reasonable results. But then you expect England to be in the top 3 of the world, let alone the 6N...

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