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How a defence straight out of the NRL has Los Pumas set for All Blacks Test

Argentina's Pablo Matera. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Rugby continues to evolve, and some coaches like to be at the forefront of that movement, pushing innovation.

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When Michael Cheika hired David Kidwell to manage Argentina’s defence, it wasn’t the first time a rugby league coach had switched codes to union. It wasn’t even the first time Kidwell had switched codes, having been an assistant in Japan’s defence coaching set-up for the 2019 world cup.

However, the continual development of rugby’s tactics and structures means timing can be just as crucial when assembling your coaching team as the personel involved. That is where Cheika has hit the money ball with Kidwell.

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The rush defense has become a dominant force in the modern game, a well-executed defensive line at pace can nullify the best of attacking talent (just ask Ian Foster).

Cheika is up with the times, he has a strong vision for his Pumas team heading into the 2023 World Cup and the influence of rugby league’s defence is a big part of it.

Former All Blacks hooker James Parsons put it plainly this week on the Aotearoa Rugby Pod:

“Rugby League defences are the rush; they chance their arm,” Parsons said. “We see those wingers jam so much.

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“At times, you’re like, ‘Why don’t you just drift and use the sideline?’, but that’s their way of bringing it.”

Coming from a code where the breakdown is nonexistent, there is also an attitude of discipline being injected when it comes to involvement at the ruck.

“I feel like he’s given them really clear pictures,” Parsons said. “Like, if you see this picture, get in there, have a crack, have a hunt, that’s a clear and obvious opportunity, that’s the tackle technique we want and that’s what we want you doing. If you don’t see that picture, fold around the corner, set space and go again.”

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Parsons went on to emphasise the consistency of the decision making and how that impacted their defensive line:

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“When they entered (the breakdown), they got a result, when they left it, they obviously had 15 men on their feet.”

Having no unnecessary bodies in the ruck reduces the risk of being outnumbered when the ball goes wide, a tactic opponents have exploited against previous Argentinian teams to great effect.

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There are more nuances to league’s defence that will translate well to union, according to Parsons’ co-panellist, former Crusaders halfback Bryn Hall:

“You look around the (NRL) league, at their tackle technique and what their tackle choices are, you’ve got people that can go for the low chop, but you look at the ability to have the guy who’s going high to be able to dominate that tackle.

“I think being able to have that in your arsenal is going to be really beneficial, especially with Argentina, they’re big men. So if you can get that technique right in the second assist tackler and you can be able to slow down the ball, I can imagine for David Kidwell, those will be some of the things he’ll be working on.”

Physicality has never been an issue for the Pumas but the same cannot be said for the current All Blacks side. Perhaps the most bruising forward on New Zealand’s super rugby rosters this past season was Argentinian star Pablo Matera, who’s rampaging runs caused havoc for the Crusaders en route to another title for the club.

With proper execution, the Pumas can deploy a hard-hitting yet economical defence that looks to tick all the right boxes in the modern game.

With their next game coming against an All Blacks outfit looking to find their feet against such tactics (and looking like Bambi in doing so), the Pumas form may just be hitting its stride at the right moment.

 

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Nickers 851 days ago

I can't see this being solved by then. Both Havili and Ioane have excellent upside but neither look that compelling in the midfield in international rugby. Ioane looks good when he some space, can get the ball early and essentially plays like a winger, but does seem to be lacking in the key areas of picking lines, vision, and communication. He has no chemistry whatsoever with Jordie Barrett. There were so many times when one of them had the other unmarked inside or outside them but failed to make the final pass. Contrast that with how well Conrad Smith and Ben Smith used to combine.

The only two world cups the ABs have won in recent times had a very settled midfield (among other things admittedly) and the disastrous campaigns that preceded those wins all had make shift midfielders. In 2019 the ABs lost the forwards battle so convincingly I don't think it would have mattered who was standing in the centres, but that wasn't the case in 99, 03 or 07. A dysfunctional midfield has so many knock on effects on attack and defence, especially in a WC knockout game where one opportunity missed can be the difference to advancing or going to airport. Other than injuries at lock this is definitely the ABs biggest game effecting weakness going into the WC.

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Tom 1 hour ago
What is the future of rugby in 2025?

Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol!


It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 10 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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