Choc au WXV 1 : la Nouvelle-Zélande battue par l’Irlande

Note, abusing opposition supporters is misconduct under the same regulation. Did you call for Ioane to be cited and serve a long sanction at the time? No?

See who the real hypocrites are? Hoisted by your own petard.

NZ abused Irish players and supporters after the final whistle. Any NZ supporters who condone it are arrogant a$$holes like their team. No use crying over spilt milk. You'll see what I mean in Dublin November. Have a feeling also that no matter what RWC, Ireland will make sure to have prepped to defeat NZ. Even if we lose, NZ don't win.

My first rugby match was Romania in 1986 in Lansdowne.

Your rugby team abused Ireland's players and supporters after the final whistle in Paris? This is inasne arrogance no matter what your point of view. We tell our kids not to abuse opponents after you beat them...dont we?

Do you condone this? If so you are different to every other Kiwi supporter here.

There is no other explanation for condoning this arrogance and disrepsect other than privilege and arrogance. Its not just me, Mack Hansen has said the irish camp were not happy about it and this will spill into the November match.

The question is: If NZ supporters like and respect Ireland supporters then why are you condoning this disrespect from yoru team? I mean, abusing the Irish crowd after the final whistle?

The tricky thing for Proctor is that he is up against the current generation, not the past. Jordie and Reiko are 27, and 100% in contention for the next world cup based purely on age. The 27 World Cup could be their absolute prime, and they are extremely good defensively as a combo. Reiko's D is a hugely underestimated part of game which alone could make him hard to dislodge from the team.

You will note that our association with some of these people all predates NZs behaviour in Paris after the final whistle which makes your point mute.

We suffered a devastaing defeat in 2019 to NZ but they shook our hands after and showed us respect as every team does eachother in the RWC. That is until 2023 when NZ players abused Irish players and the irish crowd after the whistle in Paris. NZ supporters don't have a problem with this (am I worng?). Ergo, we think you are arrogant a$$holes?

Its not me. Read Hansens interview on this site if you don't believe it.

You got Karma in the RWC final for this behaviour. It will come back to haunt you in Dublin and I believe we will make sure to target you in every future RWC. We might not win, but you wont.

Honest question: Abusing beaten players and supporters. Is thsi who the ABs are now? Are you really making excuses for this?

But in reality they have not been high performers in the team for a number of years, and they aren't exactly wily or canny operators. TJ is a loud mouth who referees must hate and makes a lot of basic errors, and Sam Cane is ponderous and obvious, and not exactly a master of the dark arts - More likely to shoulder someone in the head right in front of the referee than subtly place himself somewhere that is illegal but invisible to make the opposition's job hard - the ABs have constantly been on the receiving end of such skulduggery at the hands of France and SA, with very little ability to counter it, draw the referee's attention to it, or administer it themselves.

The frustrating thing is that Sititi proved what you can get when you pick a young guy in red hot form. It definitely makes you wonder what could have been if more of these players were selected in the squad ahead of incumbents who were coming back from injuries or longer lay offs who were clearly under cooked. It seems crazy that the form players from SR were left out to make way for incumbents to work their way back to fitness while starting for the ABs!

Cane & Papailli to NZXV

Locks Vaa'i, Darry, Paddy, Lord.

Unlike the Irish team who made no complaint about the draw (and bizarrely never do) complaints were thick and heavy in NZ and SA until they won then it was the usual (stop whinging etc). Ie your 'dignity in defeat' comment is garbage. See PSTD and Kolbe at the end of the Durban test for acrual lack of dignity in defeat.

Yes the reality is that Ireland and France were eliminated in the QFs. Unlike the Irish team I dont have any constraint in staring some facts.

The rankings for the 2023 draw were taken in 2019. SA/NZ/ENG/WAL were the top 4 and it's not a coincidence that this was almost the 2023 semi final line up.

The fact that the same 2 teams have won 7 out of 10 RWCs is not a coincidence given the draw always heavily favours established teams.

When the draw and scheduling are a level playing field then preach. Otherwise YOU keep your mouth shut from your privileged position.

I also thought Reikos ear wave to the crowd was immense in a "drown that out mofos" kinda way. Brilliant.