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Clamour for new unproven players as All Blacks is misguided thinking

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I get that new players are exciting.

And I get that the All Blacks aren’t exactly bulletproof right now.

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But what I don’t get is our collective urge to anoint the next big thing.

One day it’s Bailyn Sullivan. Then it’s his brother Zarn. Taine Plumtree, Tom Robinson and Stephen Perofeta are among the other talented, but wholly unproven, players being talked about as potential All Blacks.

We all appreciate that there has to be a place for the bolter. That person who emerges late and suddenly in the Rugby World Cup cycle and becomes an integral part of the All Blacks’ plans.

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Think Jonah Lomu, for instance, who began uncertainly in 1994 but nearly proved a world-beater come 1995.

But among the reasons I don’t understand the clamour for new blood in this instance, is I don’t believe All Blacks coach Ian Foster is a man for the bold move.

If you haven’t appeared in the squad already, then I don’t think you’ve got much chance of being there come 2023.

And, frankly, I don’t think it matters right now anyway because it’s arguable whether enough expertise exists within the All Blacks’ coaching group to get many – or any – players to perform to their potential.

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That’s a problem and perhaps partly why we prematurely push the claims of players not presently in the side.

Do you think the selectors have the stomach to dispense with the likes of Sam Whitelock, Joe Moody, Codie Taylor, Richie Mo’unga or even Sam Cane? Or do you feel we’ll cross our fingers and hope the senior pros will perform when it counts?

I’m not saying those guys are spent forces, by the way. Cane’s actually going all right for the Chiefs.

In ideal circumstances I’d like all those guys in my squad. Same with others who are getting on in age or are potentially under pressure to hold their spots, such as Dane Coles, George Bridge and David Havili.

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There’s a regard, too, in which Foster is unfortunate here.

I’d wager there’s a potential limit to how long guys can be coached by Scott Robertson. The man’s record with Canterbury and the Crusaders is exceptional, but he’s been in that system a long time.

It was in the late 2000s that he joined Rob Penney’s Canterbury staff, before Tabai Matson took over and finally Robertson himself.

I think only Whitelock is of an age to have known red-and-black rugby before Razor.

For whatever reason, it feels as if it is a few Crusaders who’ve found it harder to fire under Foster.

By rights, Robertson shouldn’t still be with the Crusaders. He should be at a big European club or coaching test footy for someone.

Either way, you feel as if the continued presence of Robertson hampers Foster in some way.

It may be that the Crusaders’ players have Robertson-fatigue and are finding it increasingly hard to play their best rugby. Equally, those players might go into the All Blacks’ environment and wonder why it’s not Robertson who’s coaching them.

The bottom line is that the All Blacks have appeared devoid of energy and ideas in recent seasons and something has to change.

You can go the youth route. You can bin the big boys and plump for all the Plumtrees and Sullivans out there. That’ll certainly change things.

But whether that would be for the better is highly debatable.

The more likely scenario is that our 2023 Rugby World Cup is largely set in stone. That what we’ve already got is what we’re going to get come next year.

In that case, can we can the clamour for new blood and concentrate on trying to get the most out of what’s there already? I mean it’s not as if these blokes aren’t elite rugby players.

Far from encouraging the national selectorial and coaching staff to unearth new talent, we should be demanding that they get performances out of players who’ve previously proved that they’re up to it.

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Miha 1011 days ago

Look why is everyone continuing to dis Fossie and Co....you guys do this every world cup cycle. There's no reinventing the wheel at this stage - the Bolter will have to have an exceptional season in every game not the first couple of games, you ningnongs. But more importantly, we can't change the coaching staff, as much as you all want them changed a year out from the RWC, Eggs. The NZR review Panel have reappointed the Coaching team and thats it. So lets place our faith in the people appointed to do the job ....stop smoking crack on the sidelines

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Skinny Pins 1011 days ago

Robertson looks at what a player's strengths are, and gets them to optimise those strengths. Foster and Plumtree get guys in, and immediately focus on their weaknesses in an attempt to make them better all round players. What happens though, is they get filled with self doubt and end up a shadow of themselves. How many times have we seen it? The props who could be world leading scrummagers, are trying to catch and pass like midfield backs and now can't scrum either. Stotutu was bought in and told to harden up and do more work on D, and now can't attack like he used to. Meanwhile Grace was bought in and told to become an attacker and ball player, and now has lost his hardness and defence abilities. Laumape was a ball carrier who got told to be a playmaker, Havili was a playmaker who got told to be a ball carrier. Blackadders was NZ's best blindside in 2021 and immediately got told to be an openside. Papalii was NZ's best openside, and now we're told he might be played at blindside. On and on it goes. It is coaching of the lowest standard, and Joe Schmidt is just more of the same. Foster is like Jacinda... everyone knows by now how bad it is but we're stuck with it for another couple of years.

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JW 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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