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Clive Woodward says there are now two tiers in the Six Nations

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Rugby World Cup winning coach Sir Clive Woodward has claimed that there are now two ‘clear’ tiers to the Guinness Six Nations.

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France were crowned Grand Slam champions to claim their first title since 2010 after emerging emphatic 25-13 winners in Paris, although a jittery performance caused by the nerves of the occasion prevented them from pulling clear at any stage.

It is the third time in five years England have ended the tournament nursing three defeats, a poor return that raises questions over Jones’s suitability to continue just 18 months out from the World Cup.

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A big win over the All Blacks in November gave the French the favourite’s tag heading into the Six Nations and they embraced it, with the win over England seeing them finish a point above Ireland.

The English finished third, an improvement on last year’s fifth place but one unlikely to ease the pressure on coach Eddie Jones after a second straight championship in which they lost three games.

It’s been a difficult couple of years for England and now their former coach sees there as being a clear division within the tournament.

“My take is that there are manifestly two divisions. There are France and Ireland and then there are the rest,” wrote Woodward in his Daily Mail column.

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“France and Ireland are forging ahead in their understanding of the modern game, their skill levels and attacking intent and the tempo they attempt to play the game at.”

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“The French have lit up the rugby world. Stars such as Antoine Dupont, Cameron Woki, Gregory Alldritt, Romain Ntamack and Damian Penaud will eventually be remembered as legends of the game when they retire but, make no mistake, they are more than a random gathering of freakish talent.

“France under Fabien Galthie have fearlessly and systematically selected young tyros they believe in, while Edwards has got them fit and remodelled their defence.”

“Ireland, meanwhile, have a relentless pace and array of skills that reminds me of Farrell’s great rugby league side at Wigan when he was skipper,” wrote Woodward.

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The tables have certainly turned since the early 2000s. Readers of a certain vintage will remember during Woodward’s reign as head coach, that some voices within the sport were calling for the Six Nations to be split into two divisions, with England and France on one side and the rest on the other.

The rise of Ireland and Wales in the proceeding two decades, and more recently Scotland, put pay to this rather narrow and arrogant view of the competition.

additional reporting AAP

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lot 1005 days ago

sir woodie compliments france on playing young players and does not acknowledge EJ for same. marcus smith, steward, genges, furbank, simmonds, isiekwe, randall.
these english young players are not at the skill level of the french.
t's not EJ job to upskill them. they dont have that much time in camp. France and Ireland are given that time, not England. Woodie knows these issues and yet trashes EJ..

Ireland is playing the same old , 30 ++ year olds and are doing well.
England's defence in 22 pretty rubbish. who is defence coach.
kick chase the english team of 2016 was so good at, non existent.

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Ai 1007 days ago

The Pink Poppies and EJ deserve each other; a pair of dinosaurs. Every ten years they win against the All Blacks and that, they think, that makes them first division.
@ Sean AND, two levels of grammar (typing)! What?
As they say in Pyongyang and Tokyo, "People in grass houses shouldnt get stoned.".
@ Bryan That racist decision to get rid of the best coach you have ever had would have to be the biggest problem.

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sean 1007 days ago

Seems like there are also two tiers of rugby pundits aswell

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DP 1007 days ago

Woodward is a twit. There have always been two tiers in the 6N, it’s just that England now apparently find themselves alongside Scotland and Italy…and Wales. Nobody cares what Clive has to say, he’s a voice with a bright red clown nose attached to it.

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Bryan 1007 days ago

Being Scottish and we have plenty problems of our own 2 things amazed me yesterday about England, firstly playing Steward on the wing when he is the best full back in the competition and there are so many better than good fast wingers in the English premiership that never get a sniff under EJ. Secondly why use Genge as a kick returner from the fullback position when he has a big enough job scrummaging against the biggest pack in the competition plus his other carrying and tackling jobs and Dombrandt is sitting on the bench.

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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