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Common theme emerges as Youngs and Ford name greatest halfback combo

Ben Youngs and George Ford (Photo by David Rogers - RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

Longstanding England halfback partners Ben Youngs and George Ford have named their greatest ever 9-10 combinations.

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With 221 England caps between them, many of which playing together at scrumhalf and flyhalf, the pair know a thing or two about great combinations.

The key, according to Youngs, is to have players that play together for their clubs, and their list of the top five combinations is evidence of that.

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In fact, only one partnership in their top five, the All Blacks combination of Aaron Smith and Dan Carter, did not play club rugby together.

Ford recently joined Youngs and Dan Cole on the For the Love of Rugby podcast, where they made their list.

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Two Australian combinations were included, the George GreganStephen Larkham link and the Will GeniaQuade Cooper duo, who played for the Brumbies and the Reds (and still the Hanazono Kintetsu Liners), respectively.

Antoine Dupont’s partnership with Romain Ntamack is the only current axis that made their list (specifying that it was prime Genia and Cooper), with the pair driving both Toulouse and France.

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Youngs and Ford included themselves on the list, but even then, that does not buck the trend of partners playing club level together, as they both spent many years at Leicester Tigers.

“Aaron Smith and Dan Carter are definitely in there,” Ford said.

Youngs added: “Definitely in there. Agree, they won a couple of World Cups together. Without doubt, they’re in the top five. Smith and Dan Carter, didn’t play together at club level though, but they are in it.”

“I’d say prime Genia and Quade Cooper, yeah. They did play together at club and still are, out in Japan.

“Great combination.”

Ford said: “These guys are still playing, but Dupont and Ntamack are very good, very. I mean Dupont, best player in the world. Obviously, they play at Toulouse together.”

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“Gregan and Larkham—legendary,” said Youngs. “It has to be. It’s iconic. Obviously, they played at the Brumbies together, won a couple of Super Rugby titles, Australian legends.”

“I think we’ll put ourselves in it. Yeah, I think myself and George are going in the top five because I’m picking my top five. It’s our podcast, and I want us in it, so there we go. And George is part of the pod family, so George, we’ve made it.”

The pair continued to include some honourable mentions.

“Obviously, [Johnny] Sexton and [Conor] Murray is a combination,” said Youngs. “You’ve got [Peter] Stringer and [Ronan] O’Gara if you want to go back to that.”

Ford added: “Mike Phillips and Dan Biggar, had a couple of successful years, Grand Slams. They were tough to play against, weren’t they?”

Youngs continued: “Like I said, there’s a bit of a theme here. A lot of these synergies. At international level, if you want to nail it, get your halfbacks playing together week in, week out.”

“Would you go Faf de Klerk and Pollard as well? Two World Cups, you can’t argue with that.”

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JW 3 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Yep, that's exactly what I want.

Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.

It's 'or'. If Glasgow won the URC or Scotland won the six nations. If one of those happens I believe it will (or should) be because the league is in a strong place, and that if a Scotland side can do that, there next best club team should be allowed to reach for the same and that would better serve the advancement of the game.


Now, of course picking a two team league like Scotland is the extreme case of your argument, but I'm happy for you to make it. First, Edinbourgh are a good mid table team, so they are deserving, as my concept would have predicted, of the opportunity to show can step up. Second, you can't be making a serious case that Gloucester are better based on beating them, surely. You need to read Nicks latest article on SA for a current perspective on road teams in the EPCR. Christ, you can even follow Gloucester and look at the team they put out the following week to know that those games are meaningless.


More importantly, third. Glasgow are in a league/pool with Italy, So the next team to be given a spot in my technically imperfect concept would be Benneton. To be fair to my idea that's still in it's infancy, I haven't given any thought to those 'two team' leagues/countries yet, and I'm not about to 😋

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.

Incorrect. You aren't obviously familiar with knockout football Finn, it's a 'one off' game. But in any case, that's not your argument. You're trying to suggest they're not better than the fourth ranked team in the Challenge Cup that hasn't already qualified in their own league, so that could be including quarter finalists. I have already given you an example of a team that is the first to get knocked out by the champions not getting a fair ranking to a team that loses to one of the worst of the semi final teams (for example).

Sharks are better

There is just so much wrong with your view here. First, the team that you are knocking out for this, are the Stormers, who weren't even in the Challenge Cup. They were the 7th ranked team in the Champions Cup. I've also already said there is good precedent to allow someone outside the league table who was heavily impacted early in the season by injury to get through by winning Challenge Cup. You've also lost the argument that Sharks qualify as the third (their two best are in my league qualification system) South African team (because a SAn team won the CC, it just happened to be them) in my system. I'm doubt that's the last of reasons to be found either.


Your system doesn't account for performance or changes in their domestic leagues models, and rely's heavily on an imperfect and less effective 'winner takes all' model.

Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't.

No your systems doesn't. Not all the time/circumstances. You literally just quoted me describing how they aren't going to care about Challenge Cup if they are already qualifying through league performance. They are also not going to hinder their chance at high seed in the league and knockout matches, for the pointless prestige of the Challenge Cup.


My idea fixes this by the suggesting that say a South African or Irish side would actually still have some desire to win one of their own sides a qualification spot if they win the Challenge Cup though. I'll admit, its not the strongest incentive, but it is better than your nothing. I repeat though, if your not balance entries, or just my assignment, then obviously winning the Challenge Cup should get you through, but your idea of 4th place getting in a 20 team EPCR? Cant you see the difference lol


Not even going to bother finishing that last paragraph. 8 of 10 is not an equal share.

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