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'Danny Cipriani, James O'Connor, they were child proteges... in the international set-up at 18, 19 and probably couldn't handle that'

Danny Cipriani and James O'Connor in the colours of Sale during their Sharks days with Steve Diamond (Photos by Getty Images)

Steve Diamond loves a challenge. Give him a written-off bad boy and he will alternatively see their potential for greatness. It’s how he has survived at the Sale helm for so long. Ducking and diving, wheeling and dealing, making the best of discarded goods alongside some homespun sensations such as Tom Curry. 

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It’s why he will allow himself a wry smile when Australia’s World Cup campaign gets going next weekend versus Fiji. No one would have given the wayward James O’Connor a cat’s chance in hell of ever reviving his unfulfilled Test career.  

Yet two seasons of Diamond love and all is utterly transformed, Michael Cheika offering the once fallen star a Super Rugby deal in order to make him eligible to renew a Wallabies career where five years had elapsed between caps.   

It’s a yarn that makes Diamond’s eyes sparkle, even if the success story came at the cost of Sale losing the player they had offered the lifeline to when no-one else was interested. ‘Well, obviously, the only way James could get there (to the World Cup) was by leaving us, so he has gone back here but yeah, yeah, I take a bit of pleasure out of it,” he told RugbyPass. 

“He came to us with a slightly tarnished reputation but we managed to get him on the straight and narrow and now hopefully he can deliver for Australia. I take some joy out of it if I am honest,” said Diamond before going on to downplay his role in inspiring career revivals.  

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“There is no real secret to it. It is just a lot of lads, once they get to 25 they mature naturally and a lot of these lads have the misdemeanours before they are 25 so there is a maturation involved. We just give them certain guidelines, what we can operate under. 

“Generally if you treat them well they don’t mess up and most of these people do mess up but we never tell people about it. It’s just a case of management of them really. You have got to firm but equally, you have got to understand where they have come from and what they are about. Danny Cipriani was one, James O’Connor, they were child protégés in rugby. They were in the international set-up at 18, 19 and probably couldn’t handle that.”

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Value for money is at the heart of Diamond’s desire to take a punt on damaged young souls. “It’s just working for Sale for a long time and not having a lot of money to spend, just working on that. If you can get a kid who has been a bit troubled and you can get him on the straight and narrow he becomes a very valuable player for you. 

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Steve Diamond strikes a pose at the Gallagher Premiership Rugby 2019/20 season launch at Twickenham (Photo by Julian Finney/Getty Images for Premiership Rugby)

“In the day when we didn’t spend anything like the salary cap, that was always important in keeping the team up. We have changed a little bit now. We now have investors who want us to be as successful as we can be, but it still doesn’t mean we won’t look for those players and give those players an opportunity.”

Diamond’s latest penchant is for South African signings. He wouldn’t have previously been a card-carrying fan, his opinion coloured from experiences during his playing career. But he finally gets what their distinct personality has to offer, understands what they can do for an unfashionable club like Sale who aspire to grow into an outfit that isn’t just making up the numbers in the Gallagher Premiership.

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“Yeah, there is (something special), which I didn’t really understand until Jono Ross joined the club and Faf de Klerk and I got to know them. I come from a generation where the first era of pros in ’95/96 came over.

 

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“These South African lads were deeply religious and they were unable to settle because of the difference of culture, whereas that post-Mandela, post-South Africa winning the World Cup in ’95 generation of people are a little bit more free-living. 

“You take them into a city like Manchester and it’s a vibrant place. The location, to some it is grim and dark, windy and rainy, but it’s a cultural city where the lads like living. Most of the South Africans are living in the city centre, so that has worked well for me. 

“They come with integrity and honesty, the South African lads. They were brought up playing rugby since they were knee-high and unlike the Not the Nine O’Clock News song ‘I have never met a nice South African’, I have never met a bad one,” he enthused, giving an insight to the internal influence these imports can wield. 

“They have some self-imposed embargoes in the building. There is no Afrikaans spoken in work. They get a bollocking off each other and the English lads if they hear it. You will hear Faf de Klerk shout ‘English please’ many times during the day and it is important that we do that. 

“If you are bringing in able-bodied, top-class players into your environment, there is no better place to go. Some people don’t like saying it but with the crime and corruption and sometimes the dismal side of living in South Africa, even though it has its pleasant things, living in the UK is a welcome relief to them sometimes. So it is not just the rugby that appeals to them, it’s the whole culture of what they are going to get.”

That culture involved trying to make a success of rugby in an area of England consumed by football and world-renowned clubs on Sale’s doorstep. Getting regular notice in that populated a market isn’t straightforward. 

“It’s difficult,” volunteered Diamond. “But we are carrying the baton for everything (rugby) above the midlands, aren’t we? Newcastle, unfortunately, went down and with Leeds going into oblivion, we have just got to put a good side together and generate a crowd.

“The biggest marketing tool we can have is Faf de Klerk, Lood de Jager, Chris Ashton, Denny Solomona, these lads, and there is a pocket of support, a big pocket of support. Football is enormous in the north-west. You don’t have to be a geography expert to realise that. 

“Within 50 miles there is five, six Premiership clubs all getting 40,000, 50,000, 60,000 people every week. We can’t challenge them really but that is why it is important the sport doesn’t take away too much of its brutalness which is what people want to see. People like the physicality of rugby. They love watching football, but there is a different sort of thing on the menu (with rugby) and I want that to continue in the north-west.”

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What has helped club rugby’s profile in England in recent years is some Premiership teams taking marquee matches to football grounds. Look at Saracens and their use of Wembley and Olympic stadiums, along with their latest deal covering an annual visit to Tottenham’s new facility.

Is that a route Sale might consider away from the small capacity, out-of-town AJ Bell stadium? “Potentially,” Diamond reckoned. “We have got a fantastic relationship with Manchester City. They have been really good with us. They have helped us out whenever they can with facilities and infrastructure, but the big job for us is filling our own stadium. 

“Once we can fill that on a regular basis then the odd European game – and God willing, we qualify for Europe on a regular basis which is one of the goals we have got – you never know we could do that,” he suggested, accepting there is way more expectation about Sale in 2019/20 after the novelty of spending more money and using up their entire salary cap, something they hadn’t previously done in the Diamond era.

“I take it [the greater expectation] as a positive. I’m going into what everybody else has always spent. I have managed to get myself seven or eight internationals with that amount of money, so the expectation is to do better than we have done. First and foremost, we have got to be a regular Heineken Cup qualifying team.

“To break into the top two in any sport is difficult. Decades it takes. Man United and Chelsea ran the Premiership for 10 years, now it looks like Man City and Liverpool are going to be running it. To knock Exeter or Saracens off their spots is difficult but there is an opportunity to challenge below them. 

“What keeps me fresh? Trying to make Sale Sharks a massive team in the north-west of England and if I can do that then we will challenge. I get up every day knowing that one day I want to be talked about in the city like the football teams in there. I really think that can happen. 

“We are the biggest rugby team in the north-west. We would obviously struggle to take over the super clubs, United and City, but within our own rights, our own merits in a different sport, we can quite easily get the support and the sponsorship behind us that can see us be a top-performing team.

“I have always done a fair job recruiting with the money that I had and we have done a good job with the recruiting now. There is an element of gelling that together but the next two, three years I expect us to challenge and the two investors, Simon Orange and Ged Mason, expect us to be challenging. 

“I could quite easily convince my two investors that the best way forward is to spend no money and I will keep you up and we will have a good year and we will have a poor year, but why do we want to do that? 

“In the room today (at Wednesday’s Premiership launch at Twickenham) I’m probably the longest-serving, notwithstanding Rob (Baxter) who came up with Exeter and Mark (McCall) who had a different role at Saracens. I have seen people come and go. I want to be here for the next five years. I don’t want to be seeing people coming and going in my position. And to do that I have got to achieve success.”

WATCH: What happened when RugbyPass sat down with Johan Ackermann, Paul Gustard and Declan Kidney at the Gallagher Premiership launch  

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The English domestic season kicks off on September 20 with the Premiership Rugby Cup followed on October 18 – the weekend of the World Cup quarter-finals – with the start of the Gallagher Premiership Rugby campaign 

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SK 26 minutes ago
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Bull Shark 1 hour ago
How Rassie Erasmus and the Springboks are winning rugby's secret information war

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Nice one Nick. I used to think New Zealand were the masters of gleaning information from their coaches from across the globe. And always felt that SA was missing a trick of their own. Until we started exporting coaches much like New Zelaand does.


Rassie will long be remembered for putting the boks back on track and then on top of the pile. A legend for what he has done, love or hate him.


Long may it last, because of course teams have seasons. We’ve seen the ABs and now possibly the Irish seasons change.


I think what you are hitting on for me is that the health of the coaching pipeline, the quality of the coaches being developed is the best indicator of where sustainable results for international teams will come from.


I think England and Australia have some potential in terms of coaches out there and developing. How and if that is ever successfully brought into the national setup in a thoughtful, integrated way stands to be seen.


Because that’s where Rassie (who had cited the ABs in particular in this regard) has actually been his most successful. Making the springboks the ultimate goal, getting the systems to at least work in some synchronous way despite politics and competing interests. And in a country like SA!


When he moves on from coaching the boks, I sincerely hope World Rugby considers him for some role. Or at least - I hope he leads SA rugby. Perhaps as president of SA rugby.


The man’s mouth might not always seen as coming from the right place but his heart is. And he is a true leader.


PS. I don’t see a lot about France in my feed - and I should look more deeply, but while France has resources currently, I’m not sure what their coaching stocks look like and across the globe. Galthie seems like a generational coaching talent.


PPS. It will be interesting to see how many player turned coaches emerge out of this current springbok era. I think there are a few players who show great potential as future coaches. Having experienced Rassie, and possibly being encouraged and influenced in that direction.


Apart form Vermeulen, I suspect Frans Steyn might make a little dent coming out of the Free State. He’s a good man too. And I think he has good game smarts. He leads with heart too.


I have read that Willie le Roux is another potential. Although I think he’s bat sh1t crazy!


I have a feeling Kitschoff might make a move into coaching too. There are a lot of good rugby brains in the player group. The future looks bright for SA in this regard and with Rassie directing things in some further bigger picture role, I think this bodes well for us and sustaining a season of success for the boks.

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Spew_81 2 hours ago
Stat chat: Clear favourite emerges as Sam Cane's All Blacks successor

Do they want to replace Sam Cane and his capabilities? Or do they want something different? What do they want from the loose forward trio?

 

If the All Blacks to want to play their flowing, offloading game. They need more players who can bend/brake tackles and offload. That was one of the weaker aspects of Sam Cane’s game.

 

In 2024 the All Blacks set piece returned to world class. The ruck and maul work was good. The goal kicking and punting was good enough. You would’ve expected an All Blacks team, with those positives, to dominate. But most of the games were uncomfortably close for their liking. Part of the reason is that rush defences are extremely effective at countering the ‘offloading game’.

 

To get the ‘offloading game’ working, they need more power runners. Having a true left wing, Caleb Clark, made a difference. Roigard made a difference at 9. The midfield seems to be under achieving, but the backs aren’t the focus of this article.

 

The front row’s running game is good. As with the locks'; Vaa’i really broke through last year. If Holland gets in, he could reproduce the consistent ‘go forward’ that Retallick delivered; while also having more height and work rate than Tuipulotu.

 

That leaves the loose trio. Savea is a good all around openside. While he’s not the cleanout/tackle/turnover machine that Cane was, Cane did not have Savea’s running game. The question is – does one player have to be the cleanout/tackle/turnover machine – or can it be split between the pack?

 

Sititi is mobile, a solid lineout option, and has openside skills. Vaa’i is mobile and multiskilled for a lock, so is Holland. Finau is a formidable runner and tackler, and is a genuine lineout option. Suafoa has great potential as a blindside/lock reserve. Peter Lakai can cover all three loose roles.

 

So maybe: 4) Vaa’i, 5) Holland, 6) Finau, 7) Savea, 8) Sititi, 19) Suafoa, 20) Lakai?

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