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Dead and buried: The must-see Ireland-Pumas rivalry of old is over

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Ireland versus Argentina used to be the real thing, a snarling, relentlessly vicious rivalry that was a must-see match-up every time the fixture was renewed. From Lens to Adelaide, to Paris and onto Cardiff at four of five successive World Cups, these countries just got stuck into each other with a fiery determination that highlighted that rugby really isn’t a game for gentlemen. 

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The red-carded Tomas Lavanini did illustrate this fixture still has a place for villains, but what unfolded here in Dublin was different to the gravy of old. There used to be thrills, spills and bragging rights that was euphorically celebrated due to the keen competitiveness of the clashes, not only at the finals nearly every four years also but in the matches that happened in June or November.

However, this is now a rivalry that can be declared to be past tense given how awful these Pumas were in this 53-7, seven-tries-to-one loss. This was just the third Ireland-Argentina clash since the 2015 World Cup, not the sort of constant tier-one circuit familiarity designed to keep on nurturing a once intoxicating collision.

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Then again, judging by the painful poverty that is currently handicapping Argentina rugby, it’s perhaps best that they are a rarity and not a regular on the Ireland dance card. Such is the lack of box office appeal you could have strolled up to the tickets van outside the ground on game day and paid your way in. 

Irish rugby fans undeniably love their big fixtures against the likes of the All Blacks, but a sedate Sunday service such as this is very much a take it or leave it situation, especially when the cold afternoon out at the Aviva comes at a very steep price to your wallet. As with the series opener versus Japan, the IRFU set the bar too high with its entry prices.

It’s not the first series where there have been empty seats but unlike the administrators, this Ireland team under Andy Farrell is demonstrating a likeable likeness to learn from previous errors of its way. Roll the clock back twelve months and there was a deepening gloom about what was unfolding. Georgia had made Ireland look very second rate for long periods of an Autumn Nations Cup clash, Farrell paying a depressing price for making too many changes to his front line selection. This time around, he opted to bring in a rookie like Robert Baloucoune and give him the chance to prosper surrounded by household names rather than pick him in a creche-like XV where too many young kids would be trying to make their way at the same time.

This approach worked a treat in ensuring Ireland maintained winning momentum, stretching their current run to eight, a handsome statistic in sharp contrast to the finger-wagging over Farrell last February after Ireland, in losing to Wales and France, made their worst start to Five/Six Nations championship since 1998. 

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Encouragingly, the Irish also showed a different type of execution. Compared to the fizz, the vim and the polish of last week’s swaggering dismissal of the All Blacks, a Hollywood-type show where the panache of Jamison Gibson-Park has the backs outside shining just as much as the forwards, things here were a touch more agricultural – something in keeping with the nearby Dublin city streets where protesting farmers were driving their tractors around.

Roll-your-sleeves-up style rugby was the order of the day when it came to dismantling the Pumas, Ireland’s maul the potent weapon that sapped the enthusiasm the visitors would have taken from the third minute try where Mateo Carreras left Tadhg Beirne for dead with the sweetest of steps to come in off the flank and score.

With Ireland having had to make two late changes to their XV, alterations only announced to the crowd with the anthems wrapped up, there was always the possibility of a hiccup in reacting to the sudden readjustment, but that was but a fleeting blip. 

Ireland had the win in the bag with their 24-7 interval lead and indiscipline was the second-half narrative, Argentina leaking ten points with Pablo Matera yellow-carded and 19 more points after notorious hitman Tomas Lavanini, branded a scumbag by Peter O’Mahony on the stadium reflink, was red-carded on the hour for his ugly assault on sub Cian Healy.

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Argentina got what they deserved, a hammering. As for Ireland, Joey Carbery was alright in his 51-minute No10 audition in the absence of Johnny Sexton but there is a long way to go yet in that area before Farrell can get to the next World Cup knowing things will confidently be alright on the night if Sexton is somehow rendered unavailable again when it most matters.

The Pumas were overjoyed in taking advantage of that situation in 2015, the Japanese likewise in 2019, but in an era where ball carrying is enjoying a far great spread across the Irish forwards, there is a lesser emphasis in playing off ten which can only bode well as the more unpredictable the attack becomes, the greater the chance of achieving at the finals in two years’ time. The future is the concern, not spent rivalries like this versus Argentina. 

   

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JPM 26 minutes ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 29 minutes ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 1 hour ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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