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Dear New Zealand, the All Blacks probably won't win the World Cup

Sam Cane of New Zealand looks dejected following the team's defeat following the Summer International match between New Zealand All Blacks v South Africa at Twickenham Stadium on August 25, 2023 in London, England. (Photo by Alex Davidson/Getty Images)

If you ask any casual rugby fan to name the best team in the world, chances are they’ll say the All Blacks. The legendary side is synonymous with the sport, and for good reason, too.

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For more than 100 years the All Blacks have set the benchmark in all of sports – yes, all of sports. At the start of this year, the All Blacks had the winningest record out of any team, anywhere.

New Zealand had won 77% of their matches, and as fans will of course remember, the men in black took things to another level during The Rugby Championship.

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With coach Ian Foster at the helm, the All Blacks charged to Rugby Championship glory on the back of big wins over Argentina, South Africa and Australia.

The All Blacks also held onto the Freedom Cup after beating the world champion Boks and a 2-0 series sweep over Eddie Jones’ Wallabies saw them retain the Bledisloe Cup as well.

Everything was right with the All Blacks’ world, well, until it wasn’t.

Waking up on the morning of Friday, August 25 in London, there wasn’t a cloud in the sky and birds were chirping. It was a perfect day – rather Disney-esque – but it was clearly a good omen for the All Blacks’ rivals.

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Just as New Zealand’s Test with the Springboks at Twickenham got underway, some grey clouds filled the sky. It was raining soon after, and that became the symbolic summary of the All Blacks’ evening.

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The Boks were relentless as they piled on 35 points against a tired New Zealand outfit. Replacement Cam Roigard scored the All Blacks’ only try as they fell to a 35-7 loss.

It was a record defeat.

South African journalist Mark Keohane has bestowed the ‘favourites’ tag upon the Boks after they inflicted such misery and pain upon their helpless rivals.

“Looking at the scoreboard, 35-nil after 65 minutes, I couldn’t believe it. Seven of the nine worst-ever Springbok defeats have come against the old enemy,” Keohane said on Weekend Sport with Jason Pine.

“It was really the statement performance… they go into the World Cup on a high and New Zealand, for me, go in with some serious questions, once again, about their forward pack.”

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But Kiwis would disagree.

‘The All Blacks have to win the World Cup because they’re the All Blacks,’ some fans may question, but the reality of the situation isn’t so generous.

That’s not to say they can’t win the World Cup, but they certainly aren’t favourites. The teams ahead of them are simply better and have been for quite some time.

New Zealand fell to fourth on World Rugby’s rankings, and that appears to be a fairly accurate reflection of where this team is placed ahead of rugby’s showpiece event.

The All Blacks aren’t the favourites to win the upcoming Rugby World Cup. In truth, many would be surprised to see them top their pool ahead of tournament hosts France.

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France is a better team than New Zealand, and the same case can be made about other sides.

Ireland and South Africa have both won at least half of their Tests against the All Blacks since the last World Cup, and Les Bleus dominated New Zealand in their most recent meeting.

Ireland, who are the world’s No. 1 team, opened the floodgates when they beat the All Blacks for the first time back in 2016 – in Chicago, of all places.

Since that win at Soldier Field, which is the home of the Chicago Bears, Ireland has beaten New Zealand 57 per cent of the time. Two of their four victories came on New Zealand soil, too.

Don’t put it down to the luck of the Irish, either. This team can play.

Ireland have New Zealand’s number, and they aren’t alone – so do the Boks.

South Africa have won three of six Tests against the All Blacks since their unforgettable World Cup triumph in Japan four years ago.

But that win in London two weeks ago takes the cake; that sets the tone for the World Cup.

The All Blacks, who were practically at full strength, were lost for answers as the South Africans put on a show. It was one of the darkest days in New Zealand rugby history.

If they meet in the quarter-finals stage – which is entirely possible, if not expected – then it’s hard to see how even the mighty All Blacks could reverse a 28-point thumping.

They’re rugby players, not miracle workers.

But having to overcome the threat of Ireland and South Africa in the knockout rounds is just a hypothetical for the All Blacks at this stage. What’s not, though, is Friday night’s World Cup opener at Stade de France.

The All Blacks will look to rain on France’s parade when they take on the tournament hosts at the very same venue they played at the last time these two sides met.

New Zealand were beaten, convincingly, 40-25 by a red-hot French side in 2021. The French crowd were in full voice, and the same is expected for Friday night’s opener.

Over the last two years, Les Bleus have been the best team in the world.

Captain Antoine Dupont has helped take French Rugby to an all-new level ahead of their home World Cup, to the point where they’re expected to win rugby’s ultimate prize.

They’re the best rugby team on the planet, and they’ll have 80,000+ rendering fans singing their praises every time they step onto the field at Stade de France.

Then there’s the All Blacks.

Everything was going to plan before that Test against the Boks, but that changed everything.

The once unconquerable powerhouse of the international game is now an underdog. New Zealand aren’t exactly a fallen giant, but they aren’t feared either.

New Zealand can still win this World Cup, but Kiwis need to accept that they probably won’t.

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Dene-Paul 467 days ago

What can anyone say that BJ Spratt hasn't already said so eloquently. I've been bashing on that NZRU must get its house in order otherwise the AB's are going to suffer a lot more and that isn't good for World Rugby. Its a pity that you have people like Jeff Wilson who could do so much good for NZ Rugby by using his position to speaking the truth and not talking nonsense just to line his pockets. If NZ Rugby is not going to reform and adapt the AB's brand is going to suffer hugely.

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B.J. Spratt 469 days ago

We certainly managed to change a great First V into an average Full Back Eden. Having said that, that was 4 years ago.

We don't get any "Practise" in that Super Rugby Bullshit. Without S.A. its not the same.

Gross mismanagement by NZRFU. Failure to "understand" and deal with "serous decrease in player participation thoughout New Zealand Rugby has had a huge affect on the growth of the game.

The NZRFU is still in "Denial" with CTE. The public look at them and say. " Still a huge "Boys club"

Now they see the "emergence" and the "Opportunity in Women's Rugby, as a potential "Cash Cow" They see they can manipulate the new revenue stream. I am sure it won't take the women long to wake up.

New Zealand fans see Razor Robertson as a "breath of fresh air" The NZRFU have never "liked" him because of his "nature"

Graham Henry was the main "influencer" who stopped Razor over Foster.

Henry has and will always have the "Headmaster's Psyche" much the same as Schmidt. They can't handle "players that don't adhere to their thinking, so a coach like Razor was far too much for them to handle.,.

CEO Mark Robinson is a "weak CEO" His handling of the Foster Scenario was "as bad as it gets "

His actions could be shown "as an example of poor leadership" on any business course.

No "Razor" is no magician. He is a highly skilled Rugby Coach who has a "Magic Quality" to communicate with and understand his players, and get the best out of them as players and young men.

He is the Best Rugby Coach in World Rugby at the elite level. He is also a very nice guy. Honest and sincere.

Something the All Blacks haven't had for since Wayne Smith was coach.

Yes Eden the problems New Zealand Rugby have are deep. They are about to get a lot deeper. Silver Lakes are interested in one thing; PROFIT. Egon Durban and Ken Hao aren't happy. If we don't get out of the quarters.......Well that will be interesting. U.S Billionaires have no interest in Rugby, only profit.

Of course the ALTRAD front of shirt Branding of the All Black jersey and Mohed ALTRAD being convicted of Bribery of the Vice Chairman of World Rugby Bernard Du Pont front of Shirt for FRANCE, is just another example of how Rugby has been used as a "Vehicle" for Fraudsters and Criminals, with no governance. They make the rules.

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Riekert 469 days ago

Guys Scott Robinson is not the alfa and omega as the All Blacks supporters is hopping for and Ian Smith is not the villain everybody is making him to be, All Black forwards are poor, rest of the world as got better, stronger, and smatter, the game is still the same just the opponent's got better.

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Bob Marler 469 days ago

Too soon to make that call.

After last nights game - I’d say the same about France. They looked poor.

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eben 470 days ago

As a passionate Springbok supporter we could see two very critical moments in AB rugby where things changed for you.

You moved the IRB player of the year at flyhalf to fullback (started messing with winning recipes )

You started playing (practicing for that matter) against teams who are not as physical as the boks and now your forwards are not used to it anymore.

Oz basically gave up on rugby (versus other codes like ozzie rules) and you can see the interest is waning hence they dont bring he same vigour and skill as they did.

The pacific nations don't have the skills and players to punish mistakes like us and the eurpoean teams do.

I dont think Razor is going to make the impact you think. He is not a magician. He will make a differense for sure as he will make better tactical decisions, but in your core, the competition you have now will keep your standards low as that is what the new competition has brought.

You played against a french team last night that wasn't on their game, and still beat you.

Your front row is out of their depth (which i have never seen) Locks lose balls in lineouts (never seen before), 0 fetchers (Sam cane was injured but he is not someone you fear), barret at fb is the biggest waste of talent, ever and feels like your backs feed off mistakes only. Mouanga is good but he is not BBarret good.

The Ab's will bounce back but your problems are deeper than you think, it goes back to who you train against.

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CT 470 days ago

After tonight's performance agreed book the return flight

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B.J. Spratt 470 days ago

France 38 All Blacks 19

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yster 470 days ago

I am a South African, the All Blacks should never be underestimated even if its only due to the fact that they are Rugby Royalty, This team can destroy any team on any given day, show some respect!

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Gerald 470 days ago

Shhh...... time to be quiet

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Thomas 471 days ago

I'm not an ABs fan, and I would be completely fine with them not winning the whole thing, but underestimating them is about the stupidest mistake any team can make.

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GrahamVF 37 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 7 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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