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Eddie Jones explains his new back-row selection for NZ

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Sam Simmonds (Getty Images)

Eddie Jones insists England are ready to take on New Zealand’s historical strength after picking two number eights for Saturday’s Twickenham showdown.

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Billy Vunipola and Sam Simmonds, both specialists in the position, have been picked in a back row completed by Tom Curry for the first clash with the All Blacks since a crushing win in the semi-finals of the 2019 World Cup.

Maro Itoje moves back to lock to make room for Simmonds at blindside flanker and the three changes in personnel to the side that thumped Japan 52-13 are completed by the return of wing Jack Nowell and centre Manu Tuilagi.

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It is the make-up of the back row that is most intriguing, however, with Simmonds’ last start at flanker coming in the Premiership five years ago.

However, they were paired together when Vunipola came on for the final quarter of the Brave Blossoms rout that nudged England’s autumn back on track having fallen to Argentina in the series opener.

Jones said: “It’s a bit horses for courses against New Zealand. Traditionally if you look at the history of the game, New Zealand’s strength is their back row.

“Their most talismanic players have always been their back rows. Look at Graham Mourie, Richie McCaw, Kieran Read, Wayne Shelford, Zinzan Brooke. We feel that battle is going to be quite important in the game.

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“Sam gives us a little bit more mobility and a little bit more contest at the breakdown, which again is going to be important.

“Billy’s job is to get us over the gain line. If you can get over the gain line against New Zealand you can present problems for their defence and Billy has the opportunity to do that.”

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The tweaks to the back five reduce the number of line-out jumpers from three to two just a week after Jones insisted that a trio of options at the set-piece is essential.

“Ideally we would have three jumpers, but we just feel we need that contest in the back row for this week,” Jones said at Thursday’s team announcement.

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“Maro’s preferred position is definitely lock, but he can play six. We’re pleased with the way Alex Coles is developing but for this game we feel that’s the best balanced pack.”

Jack van Poortvliet’s selection ahead of Ben Youngs heralds a changing of the guard at scrum-half with the 21-year-old rookie preferred over his Leicester team-mate for the main event of the autumn.

First capped on the summer tour to Australia, he is now first choice in the position in only his sixth Test. Meanwhile, England’s most capped player sits on the bench.

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“We’ve been bringing Jack through. He’s been coming along nicely in this series and he’s ready to start now,” Jones said.

“The last 20 minutes of the game against New Zealand is generally when the game is won or lost and Ben’s experience then will be invaluable for us.”

Owen Farrell will join Youngs and Jason Leonard in the small band of England Test centurions when he runs out at Twickenham and Jones paid tribute to his captain, who made his debut as a 20-year-old a decade ago.

“Whatever team Owen plays in, he makes better. He’s a tough and uncompromising player who plays close to his best nearly every game I’ve seen him play,” Jones said.

“Owen brings people with him like Richie McCaw did for New Zealand.”

New Zealand enter their final match of 2022 on the back of a six-Test winning run, but prior to that they had lost six out of eight games in a barren spell that left head coach Ian Foster fighting for his future.

“I’ve coached against New Zealand since 2000 I think and they have never lack motivation,” Jones said.

“And they particularly don’t lack motivation against England, who we know they probably don’t like a great deal. So I’m sure they’ll be highly motivated.”

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fl 45 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen."


That's not quite my idea.

For a 20 team champions cup I'd have 4 teams qualify from the previous years champions cup, and 4 from the previous years challenge cup. For a 16 team champions cup I'd have 3 teams qualify from the previous years champions cup, and 1 from the previous years challenge cup.


"The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime."

If teams get a tough draw in the challenge cup quarters, they should have won more pool games and so got better seeding. My system is less about finding the best teams, and more about finding the teams who perform at the highest level in european competition.

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fl 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Would I'd be think"

Would I'd be think.


"Well that's one starting point for an error in your reasoning. Do you think that in regards to who should have a say in how it's setup in the future as well? Ie you would care what they think or what might be more fair for their teams (not saying your model doesn't allow them a chance)?"

Did you even read what you're replying to? I wasn't arguing for excluding south africa, I was pointing out that the idea of quantifying someone's fractional share of european rugby is entirely nonsensical. You're the one who was trying to do that.


"Yes, I was thinking about an automatic qualifier for a tier 2 side"

What proportion of european rugby are they though? Got to make sure those fractions match up! 😂


"Ultimately what I think would be better for t2 leagues would be a third comp underneath the top two tournemnts where they play a fair chunk of games, like double those two. So half a dozen euro teams along with the 2 SA and bottom bunch of premiership and top14, some Championship and div 2 sides thrown in."

I don't know if Championship sides want to be commuting to Georgia every other week.


"my thought was just to create a middle ground now which can sustain it until that time has come, were I thought yours is more likely to result in the constant change/manipulation it has been victim to"

a middle ground between the current system and a much worse system?

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fl 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Huh? You mean last in their (4 team) pools/regions? My idea was 6/5/4, 6 the max, for guarenteed spots, with a 20 team comp max, so upto 5 WCs (which you'd make/or would be theoretically impossible to go to one league (they'd likely be solely for its participants, say 'Wales', rather than URC specifically. Preferrably). I gave 3 WC ideas for a 18 team comp, so the max URC could have (with a member union or club/team, winning all of the 6N, and Champions and Challenge Cup) would be 9."


That's a lot of words to say that I was right. If (e.g.) Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.


"And the reason say another URC (for example) member would get the spot over the other team that won the Challenge Cup, would be because they were arguable better if they finished higher in the League."

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.


"It won't diminish desire to win the Challenge Cup, because that team may still be competing for that seed, and if theyre automatic qual anyway, it still might make them treat it more seriously"

This doesn't make sense. Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't. Under my system, teams will "compete for the seed" by winning the Challenge Cup, under yours they won't. If a team is automatically qualified anyway why on earth would that make them treat it more seriously?


"I'm promoting the idea of a scheme that never needs to be changed again"

So am I. I'm suggesting that places could be allocated according to a UEFA style points sytem, or according to a system where each league gets 1/4 of the spots, and the remaining 1/4 go to the best performing teams from the previous season in european competition.


"Yours will promote outcry as soon as England (or any other participant) fluctates. Were as it's hard to argue about a the basis of an equal share."

Currently there is an equal share, and you are arguing against it. My system would give each side the opportunity to achieve an equal share, but with more places given to sides and leagues that perform well. This wouldn't promote outcry, it would promote teams to take european competition more seriously. Teams that lose out because they did poorly the previous year wouldn't have any grounds to complain, they would be incentivised to try harder this time around.


"This new system should not be based on the assumption of last years results/performances continuing."

That's not the assumption I'm making. I don't think the teams that perform better should be given places in the competition because they will be the best performing teams next year, but because sport should be based on merit, and teams should be rewarded for performing well.


"I'm specifically promoting my idea because I think it will do exactly what you want, increase european rugyb's importance."

how?


"I won't say I've done anything compressive"

Compressive.

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