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Eddie Jones' most bizarre reason yet why England lost to Scotland

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Eddie Jones has come up with his most bizarre reason yet as to why England were beaten last weekend by Scotland in the opening round of the Guinness Six Nations – his players have been looking ahead to what the future trends in the game will be rather than taking care of the here and now.

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SANZAAR have this week confirmed the addition of new law variations for the Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU tournaments that will kick-off in the southern hemisphere in the next few weeks that are designed to speed up play, increase ball-in-play time and improve the spectacle for the fans.

With this in mind, Jones suggested England got caught out by Scotland for looking into the future of rugby rather than focusing fully on how the game is currently played in Europe, a game they lost 11-6 in what was a first win for the Scots at Twickenham since 1983. 

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Eddie Jones explains why he has not selected uncapped duo Paolo Odogwu and Harry Randall

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Eddie Jones explains why he has not selected uncapped duo Paolo Odogwu and Harry Randall

“Quick ball is the answer to all good attack,” he said after he revealed an England team to play Italy that contains five changes following their try-less display versus Scotland. “We all want less than three seconds, quick ruck ball, consecutive quick rugby ball, have people moving on the ball at pace with good support play.

“Depending on how the game eventuates, and we have seen in Super Rugby for the next season there are some law variations that are being employed that will definitely make the game quicker. So we have been looking ahead to see where the game is going and maybe that is part of the reason why we didn’t have the right focus for the Scotland game. 

“And I know that seems bizarre when you look at how we played against Scotland but sometimes we maybe got too far ahead of ourselves. We are looking to see where the game is going to go and looking to see how we are going to play and part of that is the speed of the ball but part of it is then you have to have the capability to be able to play like that and the structure behind it which will mean maybe a slightly different structure to what we play now. 

“Those laws are being employed at the Super Rugby level because they think they are laws that could become law and there is a movement in nearly every sport in the world now, not just rugby, every sport wants to be quicker, wants to be more aggressive, wants to be more entertaining. Sport is merging into that entertainment, isn’t it? And rugby is no different. If those laws are deemed to be successful in Super Rugby I can see them being in every form of rugby.”

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GrahamVF 26 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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