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Eddie Jones on the 'massive differences' between English, Australian and Japanese players

Michael Hooper of Australia and Owen Farrell of England take part in the coin toss with referee Jaco Peyper prior to the Autumn Nations Series match between England and Australia at Twickenham Stadium on November 13, 2021 in London, England. (Photo by Dan Mullan - RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

Eddie Jones is in quite a unique position in the coaching sphere having coached three different international teams, across vastly different cultures.

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What makes his position, and insight, even more unique is that his two stints coaching Australia were over 20 years apart, meaning he could see how much an entire institution has progressed, or even regressed.

Few can rival the mix of players and environments Jones has worked with in the game of union across his career so far, and he has picked up on some clear differences between players from different countries.

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The Australian recently highlighted the stark differences in work ethic between the English players and Australian players on ex rugby league star James Graham’s The Bye Round Podcast, pinpointing the intensity of their club competitions as a driving force behind that. Moreover, the 63-year-old explained how Australia’s approach had changed between his two stints in charge of the Wallabies, and not in a good way.

“The big thing is how hard they work at their game,” Jones said. “How hard independently they work at their game. There is a massive difference around the world in rugby in that area, massive differences.

“If you’re in an intense competition, you’ve got to keep working at your game hard. That drives a necessity to work hard. And you find there’s big differences in work ethic in players.

“England players, because of the comp they play in – the European comp is pretty hard – they work really hard at their game. And they’re independent in how they work at their game. They don’t need to be told what to do. Then you’ve got someone like Owen Farrell, who’s at his game, he’s at it the whole time. He’s just a driver. So you’ve got that role model there and it tends to flow down. And they’re a really hard working team.

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“Australia, when we first started professional rugby, we were the hardest working team in the world because we were able to model ourselves off rugby league and AFL. You look at the success of NRL and AFL, it’s because players work so bloody hard and the standard’s so good. For domestic comps, they’re unbelievable. So we were able to borrow that initially and we were able to win the World Cup in 1999 because of that. We’ve probably tailed off a little bit now, and that’s an area that can improve.

“They just need more initiative to do it themselves. When you’ve got a good team, they’re doing it themselves, you’re not prodding them. In the course of the World Cup, they really improved a lot and I reckon the group of players Australia’s got now will take that forward and I don’t think that will be a problem going forward. When you get comfortable, that’s when you stop working hard.

The three-time Six Nations winner seemingly reserved his most respect and admiration for the Japanese players though, whom he coached between 2012 and 2015.

“Then the Japanese, they’re different mate- they’re different,” he said.

“They’re completely dedicated to their craft, Japanese players. Sometimes you do [have to pull them back a bit]. And I remember going to a session, and you go to a session and the players are slow out and they’re sitting around- you know they’re tired. They’re all body language things. So I said, ‘right boys, we’re not training today,’ and I had players in tears because they wanted to train. So we didn’t train, and the next day we trained at such an intensity, it was incredible. It just reinforced the fact that sometimes you have to pull them back.”

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Jon 325 days ago

players work so bloody hard and the standard’s so good. For domestic comps, they’re unbelievable. So we were able to borrow that initially and we were able to win the World Cup in 1999 because of that. We’ve probably tailed off a little bit now, and that’s an area that can improve.
Funny, didn't Deans say the players aren't putting in enough work to get fit, what two decades ago now?

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Francisco 348 days ago

I had the opportunity to meet Eddie Jones in Argentina, attending 2 conferences sponsored by Sud América Rugby. I did not find a multicolored genius, but rather a sharp talent, with very lucid and innovative tactical concepts. It was during his first period as ENG coach. Then everything became murky and heavy, when his profile as a 'serial challenger' emerged using specialized journalism as a vehicle, in the style of Rassie.

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Flankly 351 days ago

The Eddie hating comments are boring and ignorant. He is one of the most accomplished international coaches of all time. And one of the most innovative.

I hope that an international team with real potential places a long-term bet on him. His style is not everyone’s cup of tea, and many of us did not like how he approached the Australia job this year. But there are few coaches with a quarter century of international coaching, three 6N wins, two RWC finals, most successful England coach, etc.

Eddie has some radical ideas on how to play the game, and, given his experience, they are very likely to be interesting. I really hope he finds an opportunity in which he is given the space and time to experiment and implement some of his ideas.

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Pete 363 days ago

Yep, must take total dedication to kick the ball evey time you get it, as The Poms do. Must have to train their a** off to play such a demanding game, and think of the detailed planning it must take.

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Jon 363 days ago

Mate, the team that just hired me is the best at their craft, mate….Sure mate - now just disappear already

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Lee Byron 364 days ago

Of course he’ll be positive about the Japanese players coz he’s hoping to get a job with them!

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Kara 365 days ago

Didn’t read the article - don’t care what Ed thinks about anything.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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