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Elevator moment convinced Rokocoko about 'rugby scientist' Schmidt

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Legendary All Blacks winger Joe Rokocoko has recalled the seminal elevator moment that convinced him that Joe Schmidt – Ian Foster’s new New Zealand team selector – was the real deal as a coach. Long before Smokin’ Joe blazed a trail on the Test level scene, winning 68 caps in a try-heavy international career between 2003 and 2010, he initially worked as a player under Schmidt at U18s age-grade level. 

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Schmidt himself has come a long way since then, helping Clermont and Leinster to win club trophies before going on to win three Six Nations titles with Ireland, including the 2018 Grand Slam. He is now officially part of the All Blacks set-up, taking over as a selector from Grant Fox and helping formulate overall strategy and attack play as well as providing analysis on opposition teams for Foster. 

It is a change that Rokocoko has welcomed, the ex-prolific All Blacks scorer explaining his rapport with Schmidt from way back. “I know Joe very well,” he told the latest edition of Midi Olympique, the French rugby newspaper

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“He was my coach with the New Zealand U18s and then with the Auckland Blues. He is a remarkable technician, very attached to the basic gestures of the rugby player. When I was young, he spent hours detailing the angles of the strikes, the degrees of orientation of these… Joe Schmidt, he is a rugby scientist.”

Asked to elaborate, Rokocoko added: “One day when I took the elevator with him when I was playing for the Blues, he used the floor numbers to detail to me the movements he wanted to work on, which areas to attack during the weekend and how to achieve it… He is incredibly smart but he demands real technical perfection from his players. Some make it, some don’t.”

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Rokocoko watched the recent series defeat for the All Blacks against Ireland while on holiday in Fiji. Asked why they were beaten 1-2, he suggested: “The spiral is negative, the All Blacks remain on four defeats in the last five games… 

“The body language of the players does not deceive, they are sorely lacking in confidence. Moreover, the attack game is not varied enough and faced with these increasingly better-organised defences, these movements, which worked until now, no longer work. 

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“The comparison with the Irish launches was also very unfavourable to New Zealand, so maybe the change of coaches will change all that… I don’t know.”

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Jamie 2 829 days ago

Joe said it all in a few sentences, the most significant part being ''they (the AB's) are sorely lacking in confidence''.
Logically regaining this teams confidence is not going to happen if the All Black coaching staff cant devise innovative ways to negotiate those organised defenses Joe describes, and also expand the offensive game to fully utilise the experienced play makers available.
To my mind the challenge is not so much about the abilities of the players themselves but for the coaches, any analysis of the Ireland games reveals that the on field strategy was mostly at fault not the effort put in by the senior All Blacks to win.
If this coming Rugby Championship reveals more issues for Foster's team, the road ahead will become a rebuilding process rather than a smooth build up for the Rugby World Cup.

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Charlie 829 days ago

But anyone is better than Foster.. and it speaks to NZR desperation to keep foster in the job that he is being surrounded with better coaches than he is. And to NZR just trying to cover their a...

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Richard 830 days ago

Schmidt is Teflon for some reason. Dude lost to Japan and got bundled out of 2 world cups by 40 point losses at the quarterfinal stage, and Ireland have improved greatly since he left, yet he's hailed as some genius

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RedWarrior 31 minutes ago
Three-way race to be number one in World Rugby men's rankings

IF SA and NZ win then its 1,2,3 SA/NZ/IRL Otherwise as you were. This is largely irrelevant beyond bragging rights.


As I have pointed out elsewhere the practical use of the Rankings is to determine the seedings bands for the RWC draw. The draw takes place early 2026 and hopefully the rankings will be taken from then.


Important to be in the top 6, the top 12. (and likely the top 4).

This is because there are now 6 groups in the RWC 2027.

If you are in top 6 you are in Seeding Band 1. That means none of the other top 6 will be in your group.

Seeding Band 2 are teams from 7-12, who will have a top 6 team but no other 7-12 team.

After England's defeat by NZ there is clear water between NZ in 3rd, France in 4th and England in 5th. England are desperate for top4, ill come back and explain why later.

Lets look at Seeding Band 1 and 6th place. If you make 6th, no top 6 team is in your group, you are top dog. If you win your group, you won't be facing a top 6 team in your 1/8th final, you will be facing a weaker team. If you fail to make 6th place you WILL have a top 6 team in your group and if you don't win your group you WILL (probably) meet a top 6 in the 1/8 final. That's massive.


Its Argentina holding 6th now. Assuming England hold 5th, then its a 4 horse race for 6th. Argentina, Scotland, Italy and ...Australia. (ranked 6,7,8,9)

Australia play the Lions in NH summer 2025 they are running out of time to get up to 6th for their own RWC. They MUST make a move now. They must beat Wales and they really must beat Scotland to gain points and take points off them. Could they surprise England or Ireland? England may be the better bet but Schmidt knows Ireland so well having masterminded their downfall in France.

Another one to watch is Italy V Argentina. Italy are ambitious and they will want to start pushing the likes of Argentina. If they win this they are still in the hunt. Well worth a watch either way.


Top4: I think the top 6 will be seeded, all the way through from the draw. If thats the case then the top 4 will be seeded to avoid each other until the semi. Good for more certainty around ticket sales etc. That's a possible reason why England want in there. You're not in there you are hitting a top 4 team in a QF. That's an extra 50:50 match you can do without and avoid by being top 4.


Lets look at what Seeding bands might look like with todays rankings:


Seeding Band 1

IRE/SA/NZ/FRA/ENG/ARG

Seeding Band 2

SCO/ITA/AUS/FIJ/WAL/GEO


Sample Aussie strongest pool opponent and 1/8th final opponent if in top 6

Strongest pool opponent: FIJI

1/8 final opponent GEORGIA

Prognosis: advance to 1/4 and potentially beyond


Sample Aussie strongest pool opponent and 1/8th final opponent if NOT in top 6

Strongest pool opponent: SOUTH AFRICA

1/8 final opponent NEW ZEALAND

Prognosis: You know the prognosis


I am pretty sure this is not lost on Joe Schmidt?


Keep in mind when enjoying the matches.

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GS 1 hour ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

The key is realising this AB side is not what they are now but what they will be in 2025/26.


You can already see a Power bench forming, and I would highlight that people watch the AB XV game vs Munster and watch Fabian Holland - he, in the next 24 months, will be WC and bring some huge physicality to the team.


Then, aligned with Peter Lakai, probably at 7, another WC talent, the AB pack by 2026 will probably both be starting and on the bench - be rated as No 1 or 2 packs in the world.


Then, there is the usual WC talent around the backline, and the missing link is Mo'unga. Unlike in last year's WC, the coming forward pack for the ABs, is similar to the Bok pack, It will be packed full of power, and the key to this is a realitively young pack.


So I think we will lose to Ireland and France in the coming weeks, but watch out as this pack builds into - I mean, look at the tight five and loose forwards that are coming for the ABs - De Groot, Lomax, Williams, Tosi, Taylor, Ofa T, Samson T, Aumua, Patrick T, Barrett, Vai, Fabian H, Setiti, Lakai, Savea, Frizzell (understand they are attempting to get him and Mo'unga back), Blackadder, Papalii and bar Barrett, Savea, Patrick T, Taylor - pretty young in international terms.


Huge front row starting and on bench, Power locks and usual class in loose forwards - only missing ingredient is a WC 10 and with Mo'unga back probably in 2026, these ABs are trending in a very healthy direction.

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