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England don't need Erasmus they already have a World Cup gift

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The emergency SOS proposal for England to sign Rassie Erasmus as head coach is simply not required. Lost in the hoopla over England’s third-place Six Nations finish is the lack of recognition that they already have been given a World Cup gift.

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But firstly on Erasmus, the saviour who prepped the Springboks to World Cup glory in 18 months, who has been floated as potentially doing the same thing for England.

The Springboks’ rise to World Cup glory wasn’t just 18 months in the making. The pieces were already there for Erasmus and his staff to do what they wanted to do, based on years of work beforehand with the Stormers, and the playing group in place.

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The starting Springboks pack for the World Cup final was 75 percent current or ex-Stormers players.

They had the cattle for Erasmus and Jacques Nienaber, his assistant coach at the time, to run their defensive systems and game plans, similar to what they had already done years beforehand at the Stormers in the late 2000’s and early 2010’s.

Five of the Springboks starters in the forward pack were at the Stormers at the time, while a sixth, Duane Vermeulen was already very familiar with the style having played under Erasmus in Super Rugby. Three more forwards on the bench were ex-Stormers players.

It was a Stormers defence, run by Stormers coaches, with largely Stormers forwards, moulded together in a two-year period to take advantage of the World Cup draw after losing to New Zealand.

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Many of the players – Eben Etzebeth, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Siya Kolisi – were in their mid-20s prime. If Erasmus is going to England, he cannot take the Stormers pack with him.

There also is not a single club team in England with a pack like it that can come to the table at short notice with the level of understanding that already existed at the time with the Stormers in South Africa.

Furthermore, Nienaber – a key member of Erasmus’ support staff – has now succeeded his former boss as head coach of the Springboks.

There is zero chance he would leave at this point in time to join Erasmus’ coaching ticket in England or he’d risk putting the Boks into a period of instability.

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Neither Erasmus or Nienaber would have any desire to do that, you would think.

When they took over the Springboks from Allister Coetzee, the flashy backs and style from the Lions was shown the door, and the Stormers’ forwards became the centrepiece of the Springboks’ game.

It made the Springboks a competitive power once again, but did it not reach a dominant level of winning, it must be said.

Erasmus, like it or not, won 59 percent of his games as head coach of the Springboks against tier one teams, with an overall record of 13-1-8 over 2018 and 2019.

If you consider Nienaber an extension of Erasmus and include the 2021 season, that was 58 per cent against tier one teams with a 7-5 record.

Since the start of this era of Springboks rugby, they have 20 wins, one draw and 13 losses against tier one opposition.

Should that form hold true with England’s resource of players, 59 percent gives England no better chance of winning the World Cup in 2023 with Erasmus as head coach than Eddie Jones.

It is widely accepted you need to win three tier one knockout fixtures in a row to win the Webb Ellis Cup. A touch below 60 percent gets you a semi-final appearance at best.

England aren’t going to be any better off with Erasmus, and actually don’t need him anyway as they have been handed a red carpet through to the semi-final based on the form of their future opponents.

Their 2023 World Cup campaign is going to be easier than that of a Six Nations.

England’s toughest opponents in pool play might be Samoa. Argentina, who are regressing at a rapid rate, and Japan are the two other contenders. Los Pumas have had a torrid run since losing their Super Rugby franchise, the Jaguares, and are losing strength as a tier one nation. It is unlikely that trend reverses.

For all the hope attached to Japan after their inspirational World Cup performance three years ago, they have played infrequently and were pummelled at the hands of Ireland in November.

Samoa will receive a host of international recruits under World Rugby’s eligibility changes to bolster the strength of their World Cup squad, making them an intriguing prospect.

England should win Pool D in a canter and will likely face Wales or Fiji, whoever is runner up in Pool C behind the Wallabies, in a generous quarter-final.

Wales are trending in the wrong direction after losing to Italy and enduring a disappointing Six Nations. A quarter-final against Fiji, despite their enterprising play, would be welcomed with two hands by England.

England have a potential cakewalk to a World Cup semi-final, should Wales fail to improve, which means they just have to win two tough games to claim the William Webb Ellis. This is on a silver platter.

On the other side it will be a bloodbath.

South Africa has a much tougher task than last time and this time will be a real test of their credentials. Pool games against Scotland and Ireland will be tough, but largely winnable fixtures.

It’s not that they are likely to be underdogs, it’s that they will actually have to play a strong line-up, especially against Ireland.

A Tonga side full of new recruits like Malakai Fekitoa, Israel Folau and Charles Piutau will also give the Springboks a physical game.

What counts in tournament play is the freshest legs and being injury-free on the last day, and these pool games will count towards the price the Boks must pay to progress.

Should they top Pool A after overcoming Ireland, Tonga and Scotland, they will play the runner-up of Pool B in the quarter-finals: France, playing on home soil, or New Zealand.

There is a high probability the Springboks will play the All Blacks based on current form, with France topping New Zealand in the pool. The Springboks should dispatch Foster’s side, but it will take a heavy toll as history shows.

Only the 1991 Wallabies side have won the World Cup after knocking out New Zealand before the final. Every other side has fallen short: France (1999), Australia (2003), France (2007), England (2019).

By the time they reach the semi-final, the Springboks would already have played a tougher schedule than their 2019 win. England will barely get out of second gear into the semi-final stage.

South Africa need Erasmus on board to prepare for their encore, England don’t.

England have to pull it together in 18 months for two big knockout games. It is a lesser ask than a Grand Slam Six Nations title.

Eddie Jones will never get a better chance to coach a team to a Rugby World Cup victory with this silver platter schedule.

 

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peter 1004 days ago

While your analysis of which players were available at the start of Erasmus era you might just begrudgingly admit that coaches do have considerable impact on a team's success Tootie had the same players available He could not coach squat He has disappeared from sight Please choose the same coach who coached the 2015 English side to ignominy

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lot 1004 days ago

great insight. england 2019 was quite the path to beat the 4 rgby championship teams. they may just get their reward in 2023..

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Johnny 1005 days ago

The statistics of Rassie and Nienaber's winning percentages has no relevance when it comes to World Cup's as the Springboks have never lost to a Northern Hemisphere team

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stu 1005 days ago

History repeats...all.blacks knocked out in World Cup in Quarters again in France...will they just wear the grey jerseys to play the part?!

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Brandon 1005 days ago

Balanced, rational, reasonable . . . lucid . . . who are you and what you have done to Ben? Just kidding mate - good piece - and greetings from sunny Saffa land.

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Christiaan 1005 days ago

Quite an interesting article. What the writer fails to take into account is that an easy pool might just lead to the detriment of the English side. They will reach the Semis without having been tested thoroughly. Going from holiday mode into a Semi against a battle-hardened Bok, French or Kiwi side will count against them.

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Roy 1005 days ago

I don't think anyone was ever suggesting Rassie is going to sign for England 18 months out from the WC. That's just being silly.

I think the point was that England could change their coach now (similar to how SA did) and still be able to do well in the next WC... because that's what Rassie did with SA.

England have an abundance of top-quality players, only time will tell if they're make the step to become international or world class - such as SA did.

I'd say no, not likely. The transition has been handled really poorly.

We should have been transitioning some of these players 12 months ago. Dombradt and Simmonds were ready, Marcus Smith should have been coming off the bench, we should have let Manu play week-in, week-out for Sale and we should have been looking to develop a hard running centre to give England for go-forward and to fix defenses to be able to get to the edge more often.

We are 12 months behind, we'll be really fortunate with the draw and injuries to go well in the WC.

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Ruan 1005 days ago

Rassie and Nienaber was director of rugby and defense coach at the Stormes from 2008 to 2011. To claim that their influence in this period somehow magically prepared players who barely featured during this period is bizarre. Siya made his Super Rugby debut in 2012 and Frans Malherbe only played 4 games in 2011, Kitshoff 5. Eben, PSDT and Bongi weren't involved with the union back then. Only Vermeulen and Louw were regulars under Erasmus (Allister Coetzee was then the head coach, funny his much longer Stormers association isn't mentioned!)

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isaac 1006 days ago

Hopefully the Drua players lay the foundation to a strong Fijian side at 2023

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sean 1006 days ago

Couldn’t disagree more with this assessment. The boks were low on confidence outplayed by Italy hammered 57-0 by the all blacks , 40 point drubbing by Ireland, heck any team could beat a team 7th in the world rankings. it was hardly a base for Rassie to work with in fact it was the opposite. England are in a far better place than South Africa were 18 months out and they just need focus and settle on a team. The converse is also true about having easier matches leading to a big match, South Africa put England away for one simple reason they wanted it more and England already thought they had one hand on the trophy

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JW 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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