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England fans will have to wait for dream back row unit

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Ever since Eddie Jones announced his England squad for the autumn, the back row has perhaps been the area most keenly discussed.

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This is in part due to the absentees, namely European player of the year Sam Simmonds, but that is a fairly hackneyed discussion by now. Elsewhere, a lot of focus has been on the inclusion of the RPA players’ player of the year Jack Willis.

The uncapped Wasps flanker produced some jaw-dropping stats last season in the league, particularly his haul of 46 turnovers (more than second and third place combined), as well as finishing with the joint-third most tries.

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The 23-year-old starts at openside flanker this Saturday against Georgia in the Autumn Nations Cup, and there is understandably plenty of buzz online about his debut. This is a player who, if he can replicate his club form in an England shirt, has the potential to produce Pocock-esque stats at the breakdown.

However, when many pundits and fans were concocting their dream back row for this autumn and beyond, few envisaged it would feature Maro Itoje, who packs down at blindside flanker alongside his Saracens teammate Billy Vunipola at No8.

The decision to play Itoje at No6 is one that makes sense. He is not only accustomed to the position, but against a notoriously robust side like Georgia, it beefs up the pack. Under the influence of World Cup winning forwards coach Matt Proudfoot, the Saracen can play a role similar to World Rugby player of the year Pieter-Steph du Toit. This fixture does afford Jones the chance to experiment slightly as well.

Having both Tom Curry and Ben Earl on the bench, or as ‘finishers’, further provides Jones with options and the opportunity to alter the complexion and mobility of his pack entirely if he chooses to. But that does mean one member of Jones’ ‘Kamikaze Kids’, Sam Underhill, misses out this week, as do Lewis Ludlam and Ted Hill.

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The No6-No7 combination of Curry and Willis seems to be a popular one online, and maybe the most eagerly anticipated. It is also one that may become a reality at some point at Twickenham. There is even the possibility of shifting Curry to the back of the scrum to accommodate Willis and Earl, or Underhill in the future. Given the depth options, the possibilities seem endless.

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JW 2 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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