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England 'not far behind' All Blacks, Magne claims

Eddie Jones gets England ready to face France

Olivier Magne believes England are closing in on New Zealand as the best team in world rugby and credited Stuart Lancaster with laying some of the foundations for the success enjoyed by Eddie Jones.

Since their early exit from the Rugby World Cup on home soil in 2015, England have won every match they have played, Jones transforming them into the dominant force in the northern hemisphere.

They head into the Six Nations as strong favourites due to that unbeaten run but Magne, who won 89 caps for France during his career, believes the All Blacks are still the top team in world rugby.

“England are behind the All Blacks,” he told Omnisport. “There is a team who’s dominating internationally, of course it’s the All Blacks and then it’s England.

“Since the last World Cup, England changed mentally. [Stuart] Lancaster had put many young players in the team because he worked with them when he was coaching the under-20 team. 

“And he created a team spirit, with discipline and rigour in the game as well as the behaviour, and now it gives Eddie Jones a quality squad. 

“Now he’s improving the team even more, with even more accuracy in the game. So now England are behind the All Blacks, but not far behind.”

Magne’s assessment of France ahead of their trip to Twickenham on Saturday was less complimentary.

France have not beaten England at the venue in west London since 2007 and, after a disappointing Six Nations last year, are ranked eighth in the world.

Guy Noves has received backing from Magne, though, the 43-year-old calling for the coach to be given time to revive their fortunes.

He added: “Guy Noves is like the other national coaches, he has to deal with what is given to him.

“And Guy Noves, with all his good will, all his experience, he gets players who need to play together, to know each other, to play a different style than what we’ve known for the last four years. And maybe he has players who are not as strong as players from other countries. 

“So this France is behind, not on the national team, but on all their rugby. So France has dropped behind, and it will take time to come back because we’ll have to wait to get players properly trained.”

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JW 2 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about trying to make so the worst teams in it are not giving up when they are so far off the pace that we get really bad scorelines (when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together). I know it's not realistic to think those same exact teams are going to be competitive with a different model but I am inclined to think more competitive teams make it in with another modem. It's a catch 22 of course, you want teams to fight to be there next year, but they don't want to be there next year when theres less interest in it because the results are less interesting than league ones. If you ensure the best 20 possible make it somehow (say currently) each year they quickly change focus when things aren't going well enough and again interest dies. Will you're approach gradually work overtime? With the approach of the French league were a top 6 mega rich Premier League type club system might develop, maybe it will? But what of a model like Englands were its fairly competitive top 8 but orders or performances can jump around quite easily one year to the next? If the England sides are strong comparatively to the rest do they still remain in EPCR despite not consistently dominating in their own league?


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


I'd love to have a table at hand were you can see all the outcomes, and know how likely any of your top 12 teams are going break into Champions rubyg on th back it it are?

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fl 6 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


"I'm afraid to say"

Its christmas time; there's no need to be afraid!

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