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England player watch: Bristol's Harry Randall vs Bath's Ben Spencer

Bristol's Harry Randall at Bath on Saturday (Photo by David Rogers /Getty Images)

Saturday was supposed to be a triumphant afternoon for Bath skipper Ben Spencer. The Gallagher Premiership derby versus Bristol heralded his 100th appearance for the club since his pandemic switch from Saracens in the summer of 2020, but the milestone wasn’t celebrated with a win.

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It started with razzamatazz. The scrum-half was allowed to run onto The Rec with his children before the team eventually followed out to fireworks and a tifo-style ‘Bath’ display in one of the stands.

Then when play got started, Spencer’s first box-kick was a noisy winner, its considerable hang-time enabling the Bath runners to gobble up the Bristol catcher and dump him into touch. But that was as giddy as the day got for the 32-year-old, though.

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Amid doubts over the availability of the neck-affected Alex Mitchell for the upcoming Autumn Nations Series, Spencer clashing with Bears’ Harry Randall promised to be quite the head-to-head heading into Monday’s three-day England camp.

Spencer was capped off the bench in both matches versus New Zealand in July, seemingly getting one up on Randall whose tour consisted of a run off the bench a few weeks earlier against Japan in Tokyo.

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Having also featured as a Six Nations sub away to Scotland earlier in the year, it appeared that the 2019 Rugby World Cup replacement – his last cap before 2024 – had best filled the back-up void left by the retired Danny Care.

With Borthwick favourite Mitchell now laid up, Saturday’s script was for the long lycra-sleeved Spencer to produce a show of force to suggest he would be a worthy of an England starter versus the All Blacks on November 2. Instead, the short-sleeved, socks around the ankles Randall – and Bristol – stole his thunder with a 36-26 win.

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Randall himself had recently ended a long spell in the international wilderness, his Tokyo cap his first since starting in three of his four appearances in the 2022 Six Nations with Eddie Jones was still the boss man.

Knowing there is an England starting shirt potentially up for grabs in four weeks, he comfortably had the better of it versus Spencer, particularly adding tempo to head off the second-half Bath recovery and ensure it was Bears’ derby joy.

Whereas Spencer kicked more from the hand in play (7-3), Randall made more carries (7-1) and effected a few extra tackles (8-6). He gave the assist pass for Santiago Grondona’s second try, and was also the vocal hands-on-shorts conductor ensuring the head-down-and-mauling Gabriel Oghre was driven in the right direction for the result-settling 63rd minute try.

It wasn’t all plain sailing, mind. Randall was clutching at air on 12 minutes, unable to cover across sufficiently after he box-kicked to halfway. Not a hand was laid on the counter-attacking Sam Harris, who galloped all the way back to score.

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He can’t have been pleased either by how Thomas du Toit reacted to steal floor ball that should have been Randall’s to take away at a 33rd-minute ruck just metres short of the line. Nevertheless, he was still comfortably the better No9 overall on show and will now arrive in England camp with a pep in his step looking to impress Borthwick.

Of course, this contest for the Test jersey in Mitchell’s potential absence could yet be skewed. Jack van Poortvliet had been Borthwick’s chosen one until serious injury wrecked his Rugby World Cup warm-up last year, paving the way for the originally unwanted Mitchell to arrive in from the wilderness and become first-choice ahead of Care and Ben Youngs.

The Leicester player is now back up to speed and is the third scrum-half named in the England training squad. Despite this recall, Bristol boss Pat Lam believes it’s Randall’s time to shine. Quick, quick, quick is the reason. “The improvements in England in the sense of we all talk of the way they play, actually that is where Harry comes into it,” he said after the dust had settled on Bristol’s 10-point, five-tries-to-four away day win.

“I have a huge demand on our nines, they have to be the fittest on the park. The four nines we have, (Kieran) Marmion, (Sam) Wolstenholme and Sam Edwards, in the bronco, Marmion almost broke the world record in that and the others aren’t far behind.

“And Randall is probably about 27 seconds behind that, which is an improvement, but in the context he is faster than the other number nines. And why do I want that? The nines are huge in how I want to play, they have got to get speed of ball, they have got to get around the pitch – which suits exactly what Steve is looking for.

“The thing that I enjoyed about it is, one of the feedbacks from Steve for Harry is that he wanted the nines to be quicker and he has now seen he is one of the quickest.”

How might that feed into the upcoming England selection for a series that starts on November 2 at home to New Zealand? “It all depends on the way that you want to play,” reckoned Lam. “100 per cent I think Ben Spencer is a really good player and he is also one of the best kickers of the ball. In the teams he plays they tend to kick more.

“Harry can kick but his strength is his speed, his sniping, his ability to play guys in, put a defence under pressure. He has been doing that my whole time here which is why when I first saw him playing for Hartpury in my first year in the Championship and he almost beat us, I was, ‘Who is that kid?’ because of his speed of ball, the threat that he was, that is sort of nines that I like.

“That is why I brought Marmion here, he was the same sort of strength with us at Connacht, and so it all depends on what they [England] are looking for. To me, if they want a like-for-like for Mitchell if he is out, it’s certainly Harry but I understand if you want to kick a bit more. I still believe Harry can do it but Ben is probably the best one in that sense.”

This improved Randall slickness, can it be quantified? “I won’t give you exact numbers but I know the markers that they have is quick. It’s not just about the speed of pass, it’s about how quickly you get to it and use the ball and that’s where Harry is very strong.”

Spencer’s leadership is obvious – he is the Bath captain, after all – but Randall is no slouch in this department either. Just look at his cajoling and steering when it came to directing Oghre to the try line better than any Google map could.

“That’s the biggest thing for him, it’s his leadership as well. He is one of the key leaders of the group,” explained Lam, a recognition added to with Oghre praising Randall’s earful guidance in helping the fourth try to get scored.

“Harry is a livewire. He has been showing that for a long time. I’m really happy that he got his opportunity on the summer tour to play and he has been put back in the squad. He just keeps bringing what he brings and I hope he gets another chance to show that.”

This jostling for England places steps up from Monday. It promises to be an intriguing contest.

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Tom 46 days ago

Randall put his case forward yesterday. He was much more lively than Spencer which was to be expected but his kicking was really good too. Without doubt he should be in the 23, whether he should start or not is debatable given England's propensity for box kicking... But I still believe JVP's service is too slow for international rugby, I don't think he should be in the squad, he limits us to playing one dimensional rugby while all the top teams are boasting much quicker ruck speed and recycle the ball before defenses can set. Mitchell has shown the difference a sharp 9 gives you, we shouldn't be looking at the likes of a JVP, it's a step backwards.

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fl 45 days ago

The negativity around JVP is so undeserved. He was brought into the team as a really young guy, played really well, and them was used by the media as a scapegoat for all of England's issues.


His service is easily fast enough, and his kicking is world class.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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