Training camp incident has England sweating on Ollie Chessum fitness

My opinion is that their origin in SA and Super was far more important to their success. Hence why I suggested they see the fostering of players themselves local as far more part of their 'blueprint'.

I wasn't devaluing Rassie from selecting overseas players as being critical to stopping the downhill slide the team/country was on.

Super is a much higher standard of rugby than URC, you cannot argue against that. What is also beneficial is the tournaments role in giving players the ability to succeed at International level though. Thats were a competition based on 5 separate countries wins out.

Salary caps mean nothing. If you like, you can do a study based on how much players are paid locally, and then how much they sign for overseas. From memory I think it can be two or three times as much for that top player below International level. So for example you can say that the value of players choosing to stay in a team capped at 3mil euro, is worth 9mil euro overseas. That beats the French Top 14 teams value.

So aside from your Rubbish ;) I think you might be right, the setup in Aus is a joke. A good first step would be to use a lot of kiwi players, and then a lot of their coach's. Who was Noah playing for.. thought it was a top club.. a quick look on Noahs all.rugby profile suggests to me that towards the end of his koker stint at Toulon he over took the 10 that was favoured ahead of Dan Biggar in their knockout matches, that suggests he's good enough to be a starter in the Top 14's elimination rounds AM. Again, I think you're talking a pile of kak mate!

You were talking like what happened in Perth is something they'd want to see. I was telling you that it's only the east that likes league and Perth/Force fans wouldn't have wanted to see that.

Shag did indeed not expect to continue after 2015. Then he said I will continue on till 2017 for you, then it became 2019. Not criticising Shag (though he saw the brunt of the explanations/criticsm for key failures), he is who he is as a coach, and ideally he should have had a succesful young up and comer under him. Not a 'buddy'.

They will lose if they do, I can tell you that. SA are obviously a different case, but even they will tell you that doesn't happen (they already have).

I also think this match ought to put those clamouring for an ALB/Proctor midfield to bed: both showed some good and bad touches, but both got skinned on the outside by hardly top-rate opposition. What Reiko has can't be bought - the pace to recover if he does make a mistake.

I am of course being a bit stupid, as you have pointed out, there were 3 injuries, so those 3 are the group I was expecting to be involved in the 23 from the XV side, Lord, Lakai/Sotutu etc.