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Everyone is saying the same thing about the Doris-Kolbe incident

Ireland captain Caelan Doris leads his team from the pitch after victory in the second test between South Africa and Ireland at Kings Park in Durban, South Africa. (Photo By Brendan Moran/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Saturday’s Test match between Ireland and South Africa in Durban produced a dramatic finish for the ages that saw the series drawn, ensuring the debate around who is the ‘best rugby team in the world’ lives to fight another day.

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The match ended with a last-minute drop goal by Ireland’s Ciaran Frawley, securing a narrow 25-24 victory for Andy Farrell’s men, who had been beaten seven days previously in Pretoria.

Frawley – playing in just his sixth international match – delivered the decisive blow with a drop goal in the dying seconds. The remarkable kick followed a similar drop goal, just ten minutes before the final whistle.

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The Dubliner’s contributions were no doubt instrumental in Ireland’s triumph over the world champions and a wider conversation is likely to be had about why he remains on the replacement bench for both Leinster and Ireland.

If there was one slight bone of contention between some Irish and South African fans, and it was in that final play leading up to Frawley’s fateful drop goal. A small number of fans took issue the role of Caelan Doris in the final play and argue that the Irish No.8 leaned to the left and obstructed the onrushing Cheslin Kolbe, preventing him from charging down Frawley’s drop goal attempt.

According to that take, Doris’ positioning granted Frawley the necessary time to secure the winning points.

Far, far more other accounts instead took Kolbe to task for what was perceived by many as a performative dive executed in a vain attempt at milking a penalty from Dickson and his TMO team, who did review it.

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Rugby Youtuber Andrew Forde wrote: “As a complete neutral individual who didn’t care whoever won and enjoyed an amazing test match… Kolbe is seriously looking for that, no foul imo.”

Another poster on X – a South African one at that – wrote: “Have a look at other angles. Kolbe started slipping and falling way before any contact. And would not have been in time for a charge down anyway. Boks were terrible and in the end lost by a moment of brilliance against the 2nd best team in the world. At our worst test venue at home.”

Other Bok fans also suggested there was little in the incident, one writing: “As a Bok supporter, there’s nothing in that. Smart play by Doris and Bealham positioning themselves there. Irish played smart and protected their backs the whole game with kicks. Osborne was sublime….again. Well deserved win.”

Some fans were more forthright, bemoaning the increasing amount of what is being dubbed ‘simulation’ in rugby. “Kolbe is an awesome player but he really let himself down with that pathetic dive before Frawleys drop goal!”

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Others made fun of the attempts to claim that the slight sway from Doris amounted to a foul. “If you slow it right down you can see Doris deliberately increasing his blinking rate thereby causing the draught necessary to knock Kolbe over – clear yellow card offence.”

Springboks head coach Rassie Erasmus didn’t take issue with it either, saying after the game: “At the end, it was a really good drop goal, well executed and we couldn’t stop that.”

Doris gave his take on Frawley’s drop goals: “We got it back on track… Ciaran deserves massive credit. The first drop goal, I thought the ball was going to me, I see it going in behind to him and he slots it.

“And then the composure he had, first of all going for the cross-field which didn’t come off and then he kicks it again and I think, ‘What are you doing kicking the ball away?’ A perfectly weighted kick, we tackle them into touch and just the composure he had throughout and the confidence to go for that last kick, credit to him. I thought it was class.”

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Barry 157 days ago

The wee fella dived. He went down quicker than a cheap whore.

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Sebastian 157 days ago

Hahaaaha. SA fans whining again. Kolbe was never getting to Frawley and he knew it, thats why he took that dive, hoping to a get a fraudulent obstruction penalty. The last thing SA fans should be doing is complaining about the refs, do we need to remind them about the World Cup?

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greg 160 days ago

no one is talking about finlay bealham getting into position before the ball was passed to block after kolbe would have got passes Doris. Completely legal. Smart play.

The Irish block lines were amazing all game. Our wingers did not get a sniff of the ball off any box kick throughout the game.

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Toaster 160 days ago

Poor article and absolutely zero in it
Kolbe fell before anyway and Doris stood his ground

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Johnny 160 days ago

He clearly dives/throws himself to the ground after he passes Doris. Bad form and poor sportsmanship after two brilliant tests. Keep that stuff between the Spanish and the English at the euros tonight. Abit too much of it has crept into rugby in general the last few years. Clamping down on it, rather than embracing it like football does is the only way to eradicate it.

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Robert 160 days ago

How can this incident even be a talking point ffs any rational person watching the game could see very easily that it wasn’t anything other than last gasp desperation.

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Bull Shark 160 days ago

Well, I wouldn’t have Doris on the field for that croc roll more than anything else.

I wonder why a croc roll - which has obliterated many a knee - isn’t a red card offence?

Why ban them if you can get off with a yellow?

A horrendous method of clearing a ruck which I was hoping we’d never see again.

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swivel 160 days ago

Haha the old double pump of the keyboard trick. Classic

It was clearly illegal dance jive hip bump, would still never have got to the ball

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carlos 160 days ago

Pure football behavior by Kolbe. Leave that for the Eurocopa or Copa America.

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Turlough 160 days ago

Kolbe actually started his sprint early and had to check to make sure he didn’t run off side before the scrumhalf threw it back. If he didn’t have to check he might have got into Frawleys line of sight. PSDT saw Kolbe on the ground. He is doing right by his country to make sure there was no obstruction.
PSTD is a big man. There was a little bit of pushing between himself and a much smaller guy, then a tiny guy pushed him. I thought it was Casey after running on the pitch. I was thinking, don’t do it Casey, or you’ll end up knocked out again. It was Garry Ringrose! THe other guy was McCloskey!

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GrahamVF 34 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 7 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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