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Ex-Ireland player's frank assessment of Pivac's Wales: 'There's no fear playing them like in the past'

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Wayne Pivac’s struggling Wales have been described by former Ireland winger Simon Zebo as a team that no longer instils fear in opposition like they used to when Shaun Edwards was their defence coach. The Welsh reached two World Cup semi-finals and won multiple Six Nations Grand Slam titles when Edwards was their defence specialist under the old Warren Gatland regime.

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However, having taken exception to only being offered a short-term deal on the new Pivac ticket, Edwards opted to join France following the departure of Gatland after last year’s World Cup in Japan.

That decision has deeply hurt Wales. Whereas France have enjoyed a marked improvement in 2020, finishing second to England in the recently completed Six Nations, Wales have lost five matches on the bounce and their championship loss to Scotland at Llanelli resulted in the sacking of Byron Hayward, Edwards’ successor as defence coach. 

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Wayne Pivac explains why he got rid of defence coach Byron Hayward

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Wayne Pivac explains why he got rid of defence coach Byron Hayward

Wales are now improvising in that area as they head to Dublin this Friday to take on Ireland in the opening round of the Autumn Nations Cup and while both Zebo and Jamie Roberts expect a better performance, they haven’t disguised their surprise with what is going on with the Welsh in the Pivac era.   

Appearing on the latest episode of RugbyPass Offload, ex-Irish back Zebo said about Wales: “Ireland are probably performing a little bit better, although they weren’t great against France. The improvements Ireland need to make wouldn’t be as great as the Welsh. 

“I don’t think they [Wales] are playing very well,” continued Zebo. “They seem to be quite lateral. They don’t seem to be playing with the physicality in defence as they used to under Shaun Edwards. It just doesn’t seem like the typical Welsh team.

“There is no fear I’d imagine of playing them like there would have playing them in the past and you see their recent results, the form and confidence are probably a little bit down, but I’d expect them to put in a big performance.

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“Playing in Dublin with no fans will be an unbelievable opportunity for them to get back to winning. I’d imagine they would be confident after Ireland’s performance against France but I’d still fancy Ireland to win. They will have a bit too much. Wales are still trying to find their new identity under Pivac.”

Ex-Wales midfielder Roberts added: “We are going to see a reaction from Wales. I don’t think many people will back them. The players will be hurting. There has been a change this week in the coaching set-up and the players will be desperate to go and put a performance in for the jersey.

“They were poor against Scotland. Do I think they can beat Ireland in Dublin? Yes. They have got to be at the top of their game, but I think we will see a big reaction from them. 

“I was quite surprised they released Byron,” continued Roberts, referencing last Sunday’s coaching upheaval. “You make those appointments with a long-term plan in the back of your head and for them to cut ties with him after just one season in charge is quite a bold move. 

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“I guess there is that acceptance from the Welsh public that they are going through a bit of a transition period. Not that the Test arena is forgiving in that way. People demand results straightaway and any change you expect to get up to pace quickly. 

I’m really surprised to see he has lost his job. I thought they would back him at least until the end of this season but defence is not going in the right direction. They are conceding far too many points and someone has to take the brunt of that. That is usually the defence coach.”

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GrahamVF 15 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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