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Ex-Scotland lock Hamilton: 'We're 12 points better than Wales'

Jamie Ritchie raises the Calcutta Cup last Saturday (Photo by Paul Harding/Getty Images)

Retired Test-level forward Jim Hamilton has claimed that Scotland are poised to make it two wins from two next Saturday in this 2023 Guinness Six Nations, suggesting that Gregor Townsend’s side are 12 points a better team this year than Warren Gatland’s Wales. Fresh from their latest Calcutta Cup triumph over England, the Scots now host the Welsh at BT Murrayfield this coming weekend.

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Recent championship victories over England weren’t built on, Scotland losing in round two to Wales in both 2021 and 2022. But Hamilton, an engine room veteran between 2006 and 2015, has predicted his countrymen won’t fall at the second step this time around.

Scotland defeated England 29-23 in a Twickenham thriller that was an improvement on the performances in their previous 11-6 and 20-17 wins over their Calcutta Cup rivals, and it is that progress that has given Hamilton the belief that the Scots won’t suffer another Welsh ambush.

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Their round two fixtures in recent seasons following round one wins over England ended in 24-25 and 17-20 defeats, but the former second row has now predicted a very different outcome next weekend.

Speaking on The Rugby Pod, the weekly show he co-hosts with Andy Goode, Hamilton said: “We have got some quality players… and that was one of the most complete performances I have seen in a long time, yet there is so much more that I think this Scotland team has which is crazy to say.

“Wales are a bogey team for us… but I think we are 12 points better than Wales, I genuinely do, and we have got to have the confidence and the lads have to have the confidence to believe in that. The difference – and I thought it would be the case if we beat England at the weekend – was all the other times we have won, the two times we have won before, we celebrated like it is the biggest thing that has happened, we celebrated like we had won the Grand Slam.

“And we saw years ago with Greig Laidlaw with his tie tied around his head, Stuart (Hogg) and Finn (Russell), they’re out and they are absolutely smashed steaming because it is everything winning the Calcutta Cup.

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“I look at what they did at the weekend and I look at the celebrations and it was different. It felt different, it looked different and I think we are 12 points better than Wales. We need to have the confidence to say that and the confidence when they rock up that we’re like ‘we’re better than ya and we are going to prove it today and we’re going to be two from two going into the fallow week’.

“Where are we? If we finish second or third that has been a brilliant Six Nations for us because Ireland are that good.”

Show co-host Andy Goode, the ex-England out-half, agreed that the Scotland versus Wales game in Edinburgh was now massive. “Every year he has been saying, ‘It’s our year, it’s our year’. They beat England and then it goes down the drum.

“This week’s game against Wales is pivotal for them in terms of where the rest of the tournament goes. Everything that Jim has said on the Pod the last few weeks about the Scottish players came to fruition in terms of the quality against England. Where are they? They have still got a horrible World Cup group but they can do damage in the Six Nations.”

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GrahamVF 26 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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