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Ex-Wallaby hits back at league and the Roosters 'fool' who opened his mouth

Morgan Turinui. (Photo by Steve Haag/Gallo Images)

The war of words between rugby league and rugby union has escalated following Roosters star Joseph Suaalii’s high-profile defection with a three-year deal with Rugby Australia from 2025.

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As tensions rise, rugby league figure Phil Gould told Suaalii to pack his bags and leave the NRL now after making his decision, while Suaalii’s Roosters teammates offered their views in the press when asked on Sunday.

Former Waratah and 2014 Super Rugby winner Stephen Hoiles and former Wallaby Morgan Turinui have hit back at some of the commentary coming from league, particularly remarks made by Brandon Smith.

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Hoiles believed that there is a lack of appreciation for union in this current generation of league players who have little respect for the game as a whole, including at the top level with the Wallabies.

“The league attack on Union from the players, that always irritates me,” he said on Stan Sport’s Between Two Posts podcast.

“As a boy growing up playing both [codes], we love our league, we watch it every week, we talk about it.

“When Australia play rugby league, I support the Kangaroos. I don’t think league guys are the same, they really dislike rugby union.

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“I don’t know why. It just seems like it is the cool thing to do is bag rugby. I found that ordinary, from a couple of the remarks.”

Ex-Wallaby Turinui took aim at Roosters hooker Brandon Smith for his comments made around how Rugby Australia could have made better use of the money spent on Suaalii.

The Roosters No 9 crassly predicted his own teammate would be of ‘no help’ in beating the All Blacks and the money is essential a waste.

“The Brandon Smith one was interesting, he’s almost rebuking his own’s teammates choice in life, it’s an old saying to paraphrase but Brandon Smith opens his mouth and confirms what we’ve always thought of him,” he said.

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“If you are a fool and can keep your mouth shut, you are better off doing that instead of opening it and confirming to everyone that you are.

“Let’s be frank, Jason Robinson wins a World Cup with England, league-convert, Lote Tuqiri is outstanding, league-convert, Dell [Sailor] does well, [Mat] Rogers does well.

“League converts have done well they’ve been successful against the All Blacks or whoever it is.

“The great thing about Joseph Suaalii is he’s a fine footballer who will make the Wallabies better.

“The great strength, and the great weakness, of Australian rugby is that the Wallabies make all the money, and that’s where it filters down to the grassroots.

“There has to be investment in that high profile programme to make sure there is funding to grassroots.

“As Super Rugby grows and stands on its own two feet more, then more money can be put to other parts of the game.

“I don’t think it is as simple as lets steal this money of the kids and put it over there.

“We’re not saying Brandon Smith’s $600k contract is taking money off the Paddo Colts. So why is it different in rugby?”

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GrahamVF 634 days ago

Union is a much more complex game than league. It is much easier for a union player to understand league than visa versa. I think the fact that many league players do not understand union's tackle, ruck, maul, scrum and lineout laws make it difficult for them to appreciate the nuances of the game like setting up a driving maul from a lineout. About 60 things that have to happen simultaneously and about as interesting as someone watching a world championship chess match without understanding the laws of chess.

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Reuben 634 days ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 good on ya cheese the truth hurts

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GrahamVF 43 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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