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'Anyone know which team just won the double?' - Fans react to Exeter Chiefs England snubbing

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Exeter Chiefs may have secured a historic European and domestic double over the past two weeks, but that has not been enough for some of their players to curry favour with England head coach Eddie Jones.
The national squad for the remainder of the Guinness Six Nations and Autumn Nations Cup was announced on Monday, and only three Chiefs have made the 36-man contingent.

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Man of the match in the Gallagher Premiership final on Saturday Henry Slade’s place in the squad was never in doubt, but the selection of Harry Williams and Jonny Hill is a just reward for the dominance Rob Baxter’s side have shown up front.

The 18-cap tighthead Williams could win his first cap in over a year, while the uncapped Hill has been touted as one of George Kruis’ successors in the second-row in white since it was announced the former Saracen was heading to Japan.

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These selections are perhaps overshadowed by the non-selections however. The Simmonds brothers’ absence is the most glaring and questionable decision by Jones.

Andy Goode has not been the only person online to ponder what more either of them can do, and while that is a cliché that is possibly bandied about too often, it is apposite in this situation.
By simply looking at each player’s CV this season, they make a compelling case to be selected. The 23-year-old Joe has led the team to the double in the No10 shirt, while Sam was crowned European Rugby Player of the Year.

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Of course, receiving that individual honour does not guarantee England selection, as Alex Goode found out last year. In fact, since it was established in 2010, seven of the eleven POTYs have been English, but only two, Maro Itoje and Owen Farrell, were not pariahs of the team, albeit Jonny Wilkinson, Steffon Armitage and Nick Abendanon were all based in France.

Exeter fans are bemoaning Jones’ perceived predilection to favour clubs elsewhere in England. Fellow Premiership finalists Wasps saw four players called up after the weekend, with the uncapped fly-half Jacob Umaga and flanker Jack Willis being chosen alongside Joe Launchbury and Dan Robson.

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Umaga has effectively beaten Joe Simmonds to the final No10 berth in the squad, while Willis has beaten Sam Simmonds. However, there would have equally been as much of an outcry had the Wasps flanker failed to make Jones’ cut after the season he has had.

Had England regulars Luke Cowan-Dickie and Jack Nowell not been injured, it is likely that five members of the Chiefs squad would be playing this autumn, which may have provided a better reflection of the Devonian side’s success.

Jones has never been one to kowtow to the fans’ demands though, and this is not the first time he has left swathes of people pulling their hair out. He has stood strong in the face of an avalanche of criticism in the past, but his record speaks for itself.

Sam, who won the last of his seven caps in March 2018, is just another player that is still to convince Jones since recovering from his ACL injury last year.

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He is not the only in-demand player to miss out on being one of the seven back row options for England, as Harlequins’ Alex Dombrandt is another peripheral member of the set-up that has been overlooked.
Some may have had an inkling that there would be shocking omissions, but recent history obviously paints Exeter in a very good light, which is why some of Jones’ decisions have received such a backlash in the south-west.

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JW 2 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

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He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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