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Former All Black’s surprise praise for NPC versus Super Rugby Pacific

Tasman players celebrate with the Ranfurly Shield following the round five Bunnings Warehouse NPC match between Hawke's Bay and Tasman at McLean Park, on September 07, 2024, in Napier, New Zealand. (Photo by Kerry Marshall/Getty Images)

There’s no competition quite like New Zealand’s National Provincial Championship. With such a compelling history already, this iconic tournament will soon move from the regular season into the playoffs where the latest champion will be crowned.

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Throughout the season, 14 teams have battled it out in an attempt to prove themselves the best province in New Zealand’s domestic rugby competition. But, with the playoffs just around the corner, the theatre has been captivating so late in the round-robin.

Tasman has emerged as the team to beat after an almost flawless season so far. They’ve won eight of their nine matches, and the Mako also won a Ranfurly Sheild challenge for the first time since Nelson Bays and Marlborough joined forces.

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At the other end of the NPC standings, Manawatu, Southland and Northland have all struggled to win more than two matches at the time of writing. But, in review, the competition really has recaptured the fandom of provinces with fans turning up in full force.

It’s impressed Israel Dagg.

The former All Black currently prefers watching the NPC over Super Rugby Pacific.

“I have to say, I have to applaud… the NPC. I’m here for it. I absolutely love it. I think it’s a wonderful competition and I think it’s showing signs of life in amongst the regions,” Dagg said on SENZ’s Scotty & Izzy.

“The fans are getting out in droves, they’re getting out and supporting their local unions and we are seeing some young talent come through.

“For me, I want to really put that question to Mark Robinson… in regards to the NPC, the importance of it in our ecosystem and the resources that is needed for this competition to say alive.

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“I’m going to be honest, I actually really enjoy watching this more than Super (Rugby) at the moment. That’s how fixated I am on the provincial game, I absolutely love it.”

There are some major games to look forward to in the final round of the regular season. Tasman will look to defend the Ranfurly Shield for the last time this season when they host Taranaki at Nelson’s Trafalgar Park on Sunday afternoon.

On Saturday, arguably the pick of the four games on the day is Wellington versus Hawkes Bay. The match will be held at Wellington’s Sky Stadium, with the Lions desperately looking to bounce back from a massive loss to Counties Manukau last time out.

“Wellington are coming off a devastating loss to Counties Manukau so they’ll be looking to right the wrongs,” Dagg explained.

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“They’ve got Billy Proctor back so it’ll be good to see Billy playing some rugby and have a wee crack at that.

“Hawkes Bay, they had to really fight back. Their season has been mixed from performance base. They got 60 points put on them for two weeks straight and that was a hard watch, but then they fought back against an Auckland side and won it last week.

“It’s going to be a tough ask taking on the Lions but really looking forward to that performance.”

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RobWhitiora 68 days ago

Im a Hugh supporter of first Grassroots Rugby and second Provincial Domestic Rugby and third the New Zealand All Blacks Rugby

I never supported Super Rugby it took away the very heart of New Zealand Rugby in the heartland being Grassroots Rugby level which covers from the kids and youth to high schools to club rugby that feed into the New Zealand Provincial Rugby level

so the super rugby franchise concept set up back in 1996 when rugby first turned professional a year after the 1995 World Cup in South Africa who won it and the union vs league wars in 1995 as well was like a number of provinces makes up one super province New Zealand have five teams its base on the five main city centres

in NZ it took away the Grassroots and Domestic aspects of New Zealand rugby which is vital that is where history and tradition and up and coming players and local community support it it also took away the competitiveness of the NPC teams and comp and it got weaker and weaker

over time

in 1996 back then it was the super 12 5 New Zealand teams and 3 Australia teams and 4 South Africa teams

before 1996 I was a Hugh supporter of the NEW ZEALAND NPC that was New Zealand Domestic Rugby Championships there were three divisions division 3 had 9 provinces teams division 2 had 9 provinces teams

and division 1 the top division had 9 provincial teams and the log of wood challenges

and promotion and relegation follow with the 3 divisions championships

there were many many ALL BLACKS who were all fully available in all the division one teams they were fully strong provincial teams back then it had a test feel about those games you had up and coming NZ players from the Grassroots rugby playing along side the All Blacks and the fanfare about it was massive it was a tribal feeling to it the All Blacks teams were selected from the division 1 province teams

heres an idea

NZRFU should have made at the time back in 1995 and 1996 to make the NPC all the

provincial teams in the three divisions professional have them professionally set up

each team privately own or own by private investors or have wealthy businessman own them and own the stadium Parkes of each NPC team for home games from marketing of the merchandise of each team and players and media and sponsorships of each NPC team and then have three professional domestic rugby championships independence from one another and own privately examples like sky sports could own NPC division 1 championship to broadcast division 1 NPC games or fox own NPC division 2 championship to broad cast division 2 games or super sports South Africa own NPC division 3 championship board cast those games there's automatic promotion and relegation between the championships there's no bottom team of say division 2 face the top team of division 3 face off all automatic

plus there are salary caps in the three championships each beginning with division three is the lowest then division two is higher and then the top division division 1 is the highest

the log of wood challenges still go ahead

between teams from division 1 2 and 3

to make it more entertaining having All Blacks in all the NPC division 1

provincial teams

also have international rugby players in there as well imaged having top players from the Wallabies and the Springboks and rugby players around the world say each province team has 6 international players in all these division 1 provincial teams

it gives the NEW ZEALAND NPC rugby division 1 championship a NEW ZEALAND rugby and INTERNATIONAL rugby flavour to it these are just ideas I believe it can still happen today Super Rugby Pacific today is no good its struggling no one is interested

specially in Australia It struggles in Australia sporting market AFL and LEAGUE those sports codes are so dominant and rugby is behind SOCCER and CRICKET in

Australia what do those professional sports have in common in Australia they all

have a domestic competitions and it works and it all ways will over super rugby

not the way the NZRFU are doing they want to get rid of domestic provincial rugby

super rugby pacific is not a true national domestic rugby competition

its a regional rugby competition between many countries involved

a true National Domestic Competition is played within the country

that be the Bunnings NPC provincial rugby competition fits that in this professional sporting era

and as of today 2024 the silver lake deal with the NZRFU and the NZRPA cause a lot of division within New Zealand Rugby and the Pinkerton report saying

the NZRFU cannot support all of NZ rugby and wanting to get rid of the provincial rugby and provincial unions put there foot down and want to form there own domestic competition good on them for standing up to these changes

Its time for Rugby in New Zealand to do away with the Super Rugby franchise system its done its time its time to fold up and return to its Domestic NPC provincial roots professionalise all the 27 NPC rugby teams make them the rugby franchises and let them run and fund the NPC championships seperate from the NZRFU

and All Blacks made to be available to the NPC teams

just like I mention in the above

but work together with the NZRFU as partners to help fund and run and own NZ Grassroots Rugby


NZRFU should just focus on professionally running the ALL BLACKS and New Zealand test sides 7s and 15s

Mens and Women's and NZ Grassroots Rugby and be partners with the privately own NPC teams woking together running and funding and owning NZ Grassroots Rugby

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LB 76 days ago

Agreed some of the Ranfurly shield games have had a test match feel to them.


Its sad that about 70% of the professional rugby in nz is only played in the cities when rugby is loved in the provinces.


You also see in the NPC players from the grassroot clubs get a run around rather than just the out of school recruits. I don't why we only recruit from schools for super rugby, club rugby can be more intense and high pressure than some of the school games and should be a pathway to professional rugby too

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JW 75 days ago

Hawkes Bay had some vet from Heartland land playing for them this year, out of Horowhenua I think. He looked bloody slick, should have been snapped up a few years ago could go even higher imo.

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SadersMan 76 days ago

Yeah, we all prefer watching NPC to SR since Penney turned up Izzy lmao.

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Utiku Old Boy 76 days ago

Agree with Izzy - the provincial tribalism is more motivting for spectators and the talent depth required allows new players to emerge. Daytime games are more family friendly and kids watching free would motivate even better crowds - especially at the bigger centers where, ironically, crowds seem smaller.

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MakeOllieMathisAnAB 77 days ago

Brilliant attacking rugby to watch. Better in smaller venues.

Really needs someone who knows what they are doing to market it though.

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JW 77 days ago

Turning out in droves lol I suppose it has been compared to normal, but Rugby Park in Invercargill is the only place I remember seeing full stadiums.


Caught Cam Roigard today, single handedly help turn the tide for Counties. Bonus that, he helped get them in the playoffs so might start next week.

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Andrew Nichols 77 days ago

SR is the comp not fit for purpose. The pro game should have had 10 provinces instead of the 5 SR sides then the tribalism would have sustained it. Im a full on 100% Mooloo and 50% Chief supporter

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JW 77 days ago

Nar theres not that many provinces able to sustain a pro team, it needs to mix with clubs. Turn the SR sides into clubs and join them with 8 or 9 provinces. Or maybe get 8 clubs to v 8 provinces for a full season.

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JW 10 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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