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Ex England captain claims Borthwick's team in midst of 'identity crisis'

Ellis Genge of England makes his way out of the changing room for the second half during the Guinness Six Nations 2024 match between Scotland and England at BT Murrayfield Stadium on February 24, 2024 in Edinburgh, Scotland. (Photo by Dan Mullan - RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

England captain Dylan Hartley has voiced a concern that Steve Borthwick’s England is grappling with an identity crisis.

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Hartley suggests that the team’s recent performances reflect a deeper issue than just fluctuating form or a run of bad luck. It’s about the how England want to play the game; an essence that seems to be slipping through their fingers as they struggle to find a cohesive and defining style of play.

Rumours this week suggest unrest in camp around the team’s lack of attacking ambition, with players privately questioning the heavy emphasis and Borthwick’s conservative kick and blitz approach.

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“When you think about this England team, there is a big question around identity – there doesn’t seem to be one thing that you can hang your hat on and say “yes” that’s what this team is good at.

“When I look at England, I see a team that are trying to evolve their attacking game along with trying to have a world-class set piece, and a ’new level’ of defence, and at the moment, the defence is leaky and is exposing them. If you look at what the All Blacks do, it’s such a low-risk defence. They’re just up and out.

“They might concede five or ten yards, but then someone like Sam Cane or Ardie Savea can kind of seduce you into thinking that you’re making inroads, and they turn you over. There is an identity issue that England need to address. I’d like to see what parts of the game they can hang their hat on when the going gets tough. At Twickenham, if it starts pissing down with rain and they can expose Andrew Porter’s shoulder, it would be lovely to fall back on to a set piece and a watertight hard-nosed defence.”

Hartley contrasted Borthwick’s regime unfavourably with controversial ex-head coach Eddie Jones, implying Jones was way ahead in terms of making England a cohesive force.

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“When Eddie Jones came into the team, he empowered the players. He focussed on two things: having the best set piece in the world and a world class defence built on attitude and pressure.

“He said that when he coached Australia, they deep down feared the England set piece. He feared our scrum. He feared our maul. He wanted us to be the best in the world at set piece and we practiced a lot. We talked the talk daily then ultimately started walking the walk.

“These are your fundamentals, your bread and butter. Without set piece, you struggle to win games. I think when refs and opposition know that you have that, it’s almost like your trump card.

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“If there’s a scenario in the game where the balls knocked on, and you know you’re going to scrum, no worries. You can win the ball back. When we did knock the ball on, everyone in the team believed that we would win the ball back from the resulting scrum because we loved scrums.

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“That was our mindset. It’s powerful. The second thing we focussed on was defensive attitude and pressure. Those were the two things we hung our hat on. He said to us: “We’re good rugby players. We have a good attacking shape, but the two things I want us to be best in the world at are defence and set piece.”

“By delivering that message to the players daily, he had an empowering effect on our mentality. If a coach goes into a team and says that they can do everything without having that proof in the pudding, I don’t think that’s very empowering,” said Hartley.

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Tom 288 days ago

Clear as day they have an identity crises. Borthers is finding the rugby in his DNA isn't going to work at international level with this group of players and he's now trying to implement something that's not natural to him. There is no clear direction. If you're playing for Scotland you know what the coach wants. If you're playing for England there must be so many different things running through your head that it's impossible to play in the moment and that's reflected in the basic errors and general confusion.

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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