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Former Ireland internationals Ferris and Cave outline 'genuine concerns' over IRFU contracts issue

Ireland's Peter O'Mahony is out of contract at the end of the season.

Former Ireland internationals Stephen Ferris and Darren Cave have discussed their fears over the ongoing uncertainly surrounding the IRFU and player contracts. While contract negotiations in Ireland generally tend to be wrapped up before Christmas, this year the Union have delayed all talks until at least the early New Year due to the financial uncertainty brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, despite that fact that over half of Ireland’s 200 professional players are to believed to be out of contract at the end of the current season.

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The delay has led to fears that some of Irish rugby’s top earners will be tempted to take up offers from overseas, with Johnny Sexton, Peter O’Mahony, CJ Stander, Tadhg Furlong, Cian Healy and Iain Henderson among the big names heading into the last few months of their current deals.

And former Ireland and Ulster flanker Ferris believes some of the country’s top players will opt for new challenges abroad ahead of staying in Ireland on reduced wages.

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“Is Peter O’Mahony going to get half-a-million quid off the IRFU next season? I don’t believe he is. Is Tadhg Furlong going to get €500,000 next year? I don’t believe he is,” Ferris says.

“And will these lads want to continue playing rugby in Ireland? If they do, they’ll sign and they’ll take a bit of a pay reduction, and they’ll happily go on with their life and everything will hopefully go well.

“But if they’re not willing to do that, and goodness knows what the future holds in the current situation that we find ourselves in… Do you be selfish? Do you think about yourself? Do you move on? And maybe some of the players at the minute are thinking a bit like that. And that’s a totally natural thing to do.

“It’s interesting, there hasn’t been any lads speaking out about it. I’m sure journalists have been trying to get interviews with certain players to get their feel of what is happening, and everybody is kind of keeping a bit hush-hush. I’m not sure if the IRFU or the provinces have specifically said ‘Look, keep this under wraps, we are going to get all this sorted out in the next couple of months.’ But if it’s not sorted out in the next couple of months, then lads might start getting itchy feet. There will be contracts coming in from other clubs and there will be decisions that will have to be made.

“Hopefully Ireland and all the provinces can hold on to a lot of their players, but I certainly feel that there will be a few that disappear at the end of the season because financially, their contracts won’t be met.”

Ferris’ former Ulster teammate Cave believes the real issue lies with the players lower down the pay scale.

“I think we do have this perception that ‘Never mind, they’re all overpaid anyway’, but they’re not, (only) some of them are overpaid,” Cave says.

“A lot of them, it’s not silly amounts of money (involved), so it will be genuine concerns. There will be people going ‘Right, am I getting a contract? How am I paying my mortgage? This is my life, what’s going to happen?’

“So it’s bound to start cropping up more and more. I think there will be pay-cuts across the board. I agree with Stevie, I think we’ll see a couple of players leave, but I don’t think we’ll see a mass exodus.

‘There’s probably one or two per cent of players that are going to not take a pay-cut. So I think above 90% of the players in Ireland are just going to take pay-cuts and stay put, because there isn’t going to be (much better offers out there). The Japanese clubs will pick up a few, and that’s the concern for Ulster with Marcell Coetzee. But (in the case of) a lot of players, who is going to sign them? OK, the English clubs have big budgets, the French clubs have big budgets, but if there’s no money going into the game, the wages in the game will go down.

“A couple of years ago it was blank cheques going around, it just won’t be like that. The rockstars will be fine, and everyone else, it will be 20-30% off your wages, and you can go to the market. But for a lot of players in Ireland, when you go to the market I don’t think there is going to be a lot there.”

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“It’s all those lads that are earning 30-50 grand a year and have just bought a house, just got married, just had a youngster, and they’re maybe playing two or three games every three or four months, and they’re just on that line, will they make it, will they not? They are the guys that are going to be worrying,” Ferris adds.

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“I think all these guys, Tadhg Furlong, Peter O’Mahony, the list goes on with the Irish internationals… Realistically they are not going to go from €500,000 to €30,000. I don’t think they’ll be stressing too much. It’s more the younger crop of players, the guys that are really trying to make it through, the 33-year-old who is maybe fighting for one more contract. Those are the lads that probably, mentally are suffering a lot more than others.”

Any potential player exodus would also impact Ireland at international level. IRFU Performance Director David Nucifora recently stressed that the Union will not be reconsidering its unwritten rule of only selecting players based in Ireland for the Test team. That means any player who does take up an offer from abroad at the end of the season would effectively be sacrificing their international career.

“If you do open that, I think more and more players will then drift off and go and pick up big bucks in (places like) France, and then you have all the logistics of getting all these players back into international camp, and all these logistics, they all add up to money,” Ferris continues.

“I just feel it’s a lot easier for the IRFU to keep tabs on everybody when they are playing their rugby within Ireland, and the way the rule is at the minute, people agree with it, people don’t, but I think it’s certainly a lot better for the provinces.”

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Cave on the other hand believes it may be time for the IRFU to consider a rethink given the exceptional circumstances presented this year.

“It’s something we don’t know publicly but it must have been discussed in the SRU. Other than (Finn) Russell playing in France they seem to have said, ‘Why centrally contract these players and pay them half-a-million quid a year? Why not try and work with them and get them to a club?

“I’m thinking Jonny Gray, Stuart Hogg, now Adam Hastings. Are they just going ‘Look, Adam, away you go.’ And what that means is it massively reduces your central contract model, and it gives you the opportunity to produce the next one (player).

“Finn Russell goes to Racing, Glasgow have no 10, next thing Adam Hastings (comes through). I’m not saying you ship everyone out, it would be a drastic change of policy. But to me, drastic times, drastic measures, should the policy be reviewed?

“I would be going look, instead of having this blanket, no-exception approach, should we see can we get players to clubs that we know look after (their players properly).

“Stevie is naming those players there, it wouldn’t be hard to knock two, three or four million off the IRFU’s wage bill by getting rid of between five and ten players, and (then it’s) an opportunity to bring through the next crop. I’m not suggesting they should implement that policy, I just wouldn’t be sure why you wouldn’t have a conversation about it internally.”

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GrahamVF 23 minutes ago
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We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


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The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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